>>Noone said anything about 'caving in' to anyone's demands. Say the agent was at 11k, and we're at 4k. If you can negotiate there is a deal to be done between 5-8k. Simply saying take our starting offer or fck off is a ridiculous state of affairs. << The player was on £4k. We offered £7k. Player/agent demanded £11k. We said no. Player/agent turned down £7k. We did exactly what you advocated. Clearly there was no "deal to be done between 5-8k". £7k is between 5-8k, no? So what should we have done? Tried to do a deal between £7k and £11k? That would surely be caving in to the demands? >>As for journeymen - both players have been with us for a number of years, improved and given good service in that time. I don't have their wikipedias open in front of me but I'll bet given their age they will have had fewer than 3 clubs. Do you know what journeymen means?<<
They're both prepeared to ply their trade elsewhere if more money is forthcoming. Perhaps "journeyman" was the wrong term. How about "mercenary"? Yes, I agree they have improved. That is why one of them was offered a 75% pay rise. Which was turned down. >>I suggest you do likewise re turnover to wages and the rules. The clubs in our division have agreed to 'work towards' the introduction of new regulations by the beginning of 2012/13. At the moment, the turnover:wages ratio limit at LEAGUE 2 level is 60% reducing to 55% next year. Deloitte say 60% in football is sustainable. If your figures are right and we pay our players 11k a week (allowing for youth team and reserve players) we have at least 30% room for manoeuvre on an aspirational target for two divisions below us. This is why our good young players are walking for free. This is short termism - they walk for nowt. We have the option of either replacing them with better or equivalent players (which costs Market rate wages + transfer fee) or grabbing short term loans and hasbeens to plug the gap. Ken chooses the latter option which is why we will be relegated within the next 5 years without investment in the current squad and better players too. Mark my words.<< This is nonsense. You're advocating we run up a £15 million players' wage bill. Nobody offers long contracts in the championship. You sign players on a free for two years, and risk them going on a free if you don't get out. And everyone uses loan players. If someone like Johnson can get £15k a week from a lowly prem team he'll take it - it's a 400% pay rise and his mum gets to see him on the telly. And paying top dollar doesn't guarantee promotion - look at Cardiff, run near to bankruptcy and failing every year to gain promotion. >>For the record I never said we should be paying Johnson and Kilkenny £11,000.00 a week. Obviously we should negotiate a deal which suits all parties.<< We tried to. They turned it down. >>As for holding Coventry up as some shining example, I note that they posted a loss last year of £3,000,000.00. The only way a football club seriously makes money is through football. I'm glad you enjoyed your trade fair but you havent got a clue, have you?<< I'm not holding it up as a shining example, you numpty. Just using it to illustrate the point that football clubs need to develop other revenue streams, like banqueting, conferences, exhibitions, concerts etc. It was used to dismiss your remark that somehow expanding the hospitality facilities at ER would compromise the team. It won't - it will generate revenue. Which may or may not be spent on the team. Coventry is a shite team with a low attendance. I'd guess that's the reason for their losses, wouldn't you? M _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
