John,
You wrote:
"I want you to realize, though, that people here are talking
political theory that would affect the lives of people I know
personally and worked with."
People being affected is basic to any political discussion.
That's why politics is a hot topic. But discussing it without
getting too hot is the rule here, and a good one. Do yourself and
your position a favor and learn the skill. If you truly apologize
for your rough tone, we truly accept, especially since you're new
here. But if your post is more of a defensive excuse for
continuing it, that's something else.
-Mark
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Well you made two statements....
Yes, they live on the reservation. The reservation does not have
facilities
for industry. The factory was located in Blanding, which was
happy to have
it until the venture because successful. At that point, according
to the Ute
who worked there, Blanding wanted them to hire new employees from
the town
instead of the reservation. When the Ute told them they wanted to
hire only
Ute, the town fathers changed the zoning and bye bye Glove
Factory.
Kiddie, I know I am rough around the edges and not as diplomatic
as some
people here. I apologize for that. I want you to realize, though,
that
people here are talking political theory that would affect the
lives of
people I know personally and worked with. For me, this amounts to
seeing
hungry people go hungrier while all the forces of the universe
arrange
themselves in order to correct their situation. It means people
with no
opportunities being left to fend for themselves in an environment
of
extremely harsh conditions. I know these people, I lived with
them. Harsh
judgement to be laid on the heads of people who got royally
screwed right
from step one.
Want to hear the history of the Ute? They worked with the Gov't
as scouts
and with Brigham Young to facilitate the statehood process of
Utah. They
were promised in return access to their traditional hunting
grounds and to
never be forced onto a reservation. In the late 1800's, after
Colorado
dropped the Sand Creek Massacre on the Arapaho and Cheyenne
people in the
northern portion of the state, they kicked every Native American
out of
their borders except the Ute. They were sent to the extreme
southwestern
corner of Colorado where it was considered too harsh to ranch or
farm.
In Utah, the Northern Ute were sent off to the extreme northeast
corner of
the state, actually a pretty good place. It is mountains, farm
able land,
has good water and forest. The Southern Ute were sent to run free
in the
southern half of the state....also good in many places.
In 1926 (approx) there was something called the 'Ute War'. 3 men
from the
Ute tribe pulled a jailbreak of a few friends in Blanding. Now
Blanding is
an isolates town basically set up to mark the southern boundary
of the state
by Brigham Young. He sent LDS families down there in the harshest
place I
have seen in order to claim that corner as settled before the
decision on
the state boundaries were made. Unfortunately for the Ute, this
was also a
favorite wintering area.
The people of Blanding formed an armed posse, and called this an
Indian
Uprising. All Ute in the area were rounded up and confined in a
large corral
in town for weeks while the search went on for the men. The news
media
descended on the town to cover events and make major news out of
a jail
break. In the end, the one man who was not found was poisoned
when
strychnine laces flour was left for him by the towns people. He,
by the way,
was buried and dug up 5 times for photo ops.
In the end, the Ute were placed on land that the people of
Blanding had
given up on. It was impossible to farm. They sold it to the
government, who
placed the Ute there. Since then, 3 or 4 generations have passed.
The Ute had to tie in with another reservation, so said the BIA,
because BIA
didn't want to build a station there. The Ute chose Ute Mountain
Ute
reservation as it was closest. However, as it is in another
state, the
federal funding sent to the Native Americans in COLORADO is not
permitted to
be sent to ANOTHER STATE. IT may sound 'inconvenient', but it is
the law.
Today, Utah will NOT permit the WHite Mesa Ute to build or
operate a casino,
even though they have NO authority on the reservation. So, as
conditions on
Ute Mountain improve, conditions on White Mesa have deteriorated.
One last point: the situation is also self-defeating. Because
there is NO
employment opportunity in the area for Ute, when someone finally
DOES
graduate from high school, 9 out or 10 times they leave to a
place that work
is available. As of now, not ONE person on the White Mesa. Ute
reservation
has graduated from college.
So maybe you can understand a little why my back goes up when
people say
that these hungry children are receiving too much as it is.
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