Bear Giles <[email protected]> wrote:

> What about bastion hosts? I know some allow transparent SSH forwarding but
> aren't many configured to prohibit forwarding? You have to drop into a
> shell on the bastion and establish connections from it.
>

Well, I do think we're getting beyond LPIC-1 and even 'common' setups.

[OT] Anecdotal:  Although nothing is more frustrating than a Windows, let
alone Azure, jump host.  I usually find the solution is to force a VMware
or Windows admin to use even just 'nano' over such a connection, versus SSH
jump (or even socks proxy).  They quickly 'change their tune' on the
solution.

Anselm Lingnau <[email protected]> wrote:

> Vi is like chemotherapy. It's a nasty business. There are legitimate
> situations where there's really no alternative to chemotherapy but that
> doesn't mean everyone should have it all the time.
>

So why not just yank it then?  If we're going to go from 2nd highest to
absolute lowest, of which there are so _few_ 'Weight: 1' items already, why
not just yank it altogether?

That's why started this thread, hence ...

G. Matthew Rice <[email protected]> wrote:

> Looking at the comments from various people, though, there are no zeros
> for vi...so, unless people want to follow up on Bryan's break-fix vs
> rebuild-fix topic (which is what I think he was trying to do in this
> through)...
>
If it's just a matter of how much vi to test, our individual opinions don't
> matter here.  The next JTA will take care of that.  Past JTAs have even
> eliminated entire objectives.
>

Definitely JTA this.

Because if interactive/visual text editing is going to go from being ...
- Weighted 2nd highest, in the top 10 objectives
To being ...
- Weighted the absolute lowest, in the bottom 5 objectives
Then why bother with it?

And possibly then question even everything 'interactive' as secondary?
We're certainly at that point for 2020+.

- bjs
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