1: I agree, and I didn't say so. Essentially, my point is that developers can not do that without compromising its OS agnostics. For various reasons, I use Windows myself. And I have full respect for others making different choices. I don't think the LyX list should be used for negative description of OSes not used by oneself.
2: I see the point. If there are no negative side effects of upgrading to the latest version of MikTeX, I'd do the following: * Put in a LyX 2.3.0 installation link. * Start by checking if the latest MikTeX version is installed. If yes, proceed and install LyX 2.3.0 * If not, explain why, and point to a link (youtube, or whatever) on how the user can upgrade MikTeX and say "retry after you have upgraded MikTeX". Maybe a solution? B Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Anders Ekberg Sent: Sunday, May 13, 13:33 Subject: Re: The tortured release of 2.3.0 Windows binaries To: Bernt Lie Cc: email@example.com 1 I haven’t seen any developer having any opinion on which os users are running, they are simply stating what they are running in order to explain the problem 2 the question is if you should update software (other than lyx) *without asking the user* All the best! Anders 13 maj 2018 kl. 10:48 skrev Bernt Lie <bernt....@usn.no<mailto:bernt....@usn.no>>: > Why are people still using Windows? My firm gets along without Gates just > fine. I use Windows, almost all of my colleagues use Windows. I know of 1 colleague who uses Linux - he is very computer savvy, sets up his own system, hacks LaTeX classes, and is not interested in using LyX -- he manages fine with his own set-up. Many LaTeX users use alternative tools (TeXnicCenter, etc.). -- "Why are people still using Windows?" Well, fact is: our IT infrastructure is so tied up into Windows based tools, that if the choice comes between Windows and LyX, it is LyX that will sink -- our management thinks that Word is just fine... I have no problems with LyX developers preferring another OS (ref: statement that none of the developers use Windows). But if people associated with developing a software tool goes public with opinions like “why on earth do people still use Windows”, that would make it impossible to advocate the use of that software to Windows users. -- Regarding the delay of LyX 2.3.0 for Windows -- v 2.2.3 serves me fine, so I can wait. Still, the reason for the problem is not entirely clear to me. * Yes, I understand that there is a problem with MikTeX in that MikTeX must be updated for some technical reason. * What is not clear is why it is a problem to update MikTeX. My MikTeX console says<image001.jpg> Is there a newer MikTeX version? Is the problem that a (possible) newer version will not be backwards compatible?If I can update MikTeX to the latest version, install LyX v. 2.3.0, and face no problem of backwards compatibility, then I don’t see any problem. BL -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org<mailto:email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org<mailto:email@example.com>> On Behalf Of Steve Litt Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:49 To: firstname.lastname@example.org<mailto:email@example.com> Subject: Re: The tortured release of 2.3.0 Windows binaries ROFLMAO, I ask myself this all the time, on multiple mailing lists. On the bright side, 90% of the heartache doesn't apply to me. SteveT On Sat, 12 May 2018 20:03:09 -0700 John White <j...@whitelawchartered.com<mailto:j...@whitelawchartered.com>> wrote: > Why are people still using Windows? My firm gets along without Gates > just fine. > > John White > > On Friday, May 11, 2018 4:18:17 PM PDT Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > > On 05/11/2018 03:37 PM, Jim Rockford wrote: > > > In my 20+ years in the world of science, I have not known a single > > > user of Lyx (~50 in total) who wasn't computer savvy. Why not > > > just include a warning message that Lyx 2.3.0 may not function > > > properly with MiKTeX distributions that have not been updated as > > > recently as some specific date? > > > > That is more or less what was proposed by most of the development > > team: A warning at start-up, that LyX was going to update MikTeX, > > with an option for the user to abort the install if they wish. The > > person responsible for the Windows packages refused to include such > > a warning, and we did not think updating people's other software > > without asking permission to do so was something we should do. So > > that has left us in a bad position. > > > > We are working now to try to produce a Windows installer. > > Unfortunately, none of the active development team use Windows, so > > it is taking longer than it otherwise might. We'd certainly welcome > > help from someone who does use Windows. > > > > Riki >