Ground effect is actually where the bottom on the car is shaped like a wing so it
is sucking the car down, the side skirts were spring mounted and used to stop the
air escaping from the sides. There was a different car that had a fan driven by
the crankshaft that sucked air from under the car, these were banned in like 2
races or something. Ground effect cars were great but if you broke a sideskirt and
came into a corner the same speed as you did last lap y ou were infor a rought
ride.
Michael
Zac Campbell wrote:
> I'd like to challenge and add to some of that information :) But of course I
> could be wrong aswell :)
>
> Active suspension was only around from the late 80s to early 90s before it was
> banned. The last car to have it was the Williams driven by Mansell and ? in
> 1994 I think. Records set by that car are only being beaten this year, which
> shows how much they hampered the speed of the F1s.
>
> That ground effects car was around in the late 70s I think. It consisted of
> a giant fan in the middle of the car and skirting all around which sucked the
> car onto the track. It only did one race which it won. Other teams complained
> of it sucking up and spitting out debris and is was subsequently banned!
>
> zac
>
> >I remember a few years back one team got in poo because they designed this
>
> >fan type of thing that sucked the car to the road, that would be great for
>
> >grip, but someone spewed and it got outlawed like many other great ideas!!
>
> >
> >I remember that, they worked like a reverse hovercraft and used ground
> >effects to suck the car down on the ground. They could then run less front
>
> >and rear wing ie less drag at high speed. They were in real hot poo when the
>
> >ground effects ripped off from scraping the ground too much. I think thats
>
> >why it was banned. In those days they had active suspension to. Hmmm
> >
> >Trev
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Geordie Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2000 15:42
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
> >
> >
> >Hmm, Tyres depend a lot on aerodynamic grip too. If the car aint sitting on
>
> >the road then the tyres can't grip.
> >
> >I remember a few years back one team got in poo because they designed this
>
> >fan type of thing that sucked the car to the road, that would be great for
>
> >grip, but someone spewed and it got outlawed like many other great ideas!!
>
> >
> >The rules should be written to this effect:
> >* Do anything you like, except ram other cars. It's not a demo derby, it's
> a
> >race.
> >* Make the fastest car possible, but do it safely.
> >* Go as fast as you like.
> >* May the best team win!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Zac Campbell
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2000 1:57 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
> >>
> >>
> >> That's not the answer Geordie :)
> >> FIA fucked up a few years ago when they introduced the grooved
> >> tyres. It did
> >> achieve one of their objectives which was to remove some control
> >> from the drivers.
> >> You do see them getting a bit sideways occasionally (supposedly
> >> adds to excitement)
> >> but FIA forgot that they are the best drivers in the world! :)
> >> But it also made
> >> passing very difficult. Thus making the racing a little boring
> >> and placing too
> >> much emphasis on pitstops.
> >>
> >> What they need is more tyre grip and less aerodynamic grip.
> >>
> >> zac
> >>
> >> >This sort of racing is getting way too restrictive. It's becoming quite
>
> >> >boring really... I reckon they should scrap all the rules and
> >> start again.
> >>
> >> >If they want 100,000hp and are able to develop it, then I reckon
> >> let 'em!!
> >>
> >> >:)
> >> >
> >> >Changing rules because one team is more competitive is not what
> >> it's about
> >>
> >> >in my opinion. I reckon, let the better driver with the better technology
>
> >> >win, fair and square!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Zac Campbell
>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2000 1:12 PM
> >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Terry, Ferrari admitted before the race they were going to use
> >> >> this cooling technique.
> >> >> It is currently not banned (so was available for Monza) but FIA
> >> >> have decided
> >> >> to ban it immediately, effective next race (Indianapolis).
> >> >> McLaren aren't happy cos they lost!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> zac
> >> >>
> >> >> >Did you hear that Farari got caught chilling their fuel for
> >> Monza at the
> >>
> >> >> >weekend - will Michael lose the points? McLaren are not happy
> >> >> about it for
> >> >>
> >> >> >some reason.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >terry
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad HALLETT
>
> >> >> >Sent: Monday, 11 September 2000 11:06 PM
> >> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mate of mine just built a burnout car, and they have a 'chilly
> >> >> bin' between
> >> >>
> >> >> >the surge tank and the fuel rail. It is an aluminium box,
> >> with a copper
> >>
> >> >> >coil through the middle. Fuel goes through the copper coil, and
> >> >> they fill
> >> >>
> >> >> >the box with ice before a run, ensuring very cold fuel. I must
> >> >> play with my
> >> >>
> >> >> >12V Engel to see if I can rig up a permanent solution!!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Regards
> >> >> >Brad HALLETT
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Proudly Endorsing:
> >> >> >...DATRATS...
> >> >> >http://203.33.35.3
> >> >> >Datsun Dedicated
> >> >> >For Nissan Motorsport Components
> >> >> >Professional Budget Priced competition equipment
> >> >> >Contact Errol SMITH
> >> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Errol Smith
>
> >> >> >Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:28 PM
> >> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >Subject: Re: Errol/list/zac
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pete,
> >> >> >Run a restrictor in the return line to the tank and a good Hi Flow LP
>
> >> >> >supply pump. There is no reason you would have a problem on the
> >> >> hottest day
> >> >>
> >> >> >with this setup.
> >> >> >Cheers
> >> >> >Feral Errol.
> >> >> >S13 SR20DE Race Car (KB310), L14 (1598 cc)Road/Race Car
> >> (KB310), KB310
> >>
> >> >> >(S14 SR20 DET) In the system, S3 910 S/Wagon S14 SR20
> >> VVT/Motec, KPA 510
> >>
> >> >> >(Stanza Coupe) stock as a rock, VB11 (Pulsar N13?) Postie
> >> Panel Van (E15
> >>
> >> >> >turbo on Gas Research Carb Yee-Hah!)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >----------
> >> >> >From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >Subject: Re: Errol/list/zac
> >> >> >Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:08
> >> >> >
> >> >> >My two cents worth!
> >> >> >I have run the line back to the Surge tank, as I think it's
> >> best to keep
> >>
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >Surge tank full at all times, an example of this is a recent
> >> meeting at
> >>
> >> >> >Winton
> >> >> >on a hot day. Coming into turn one and two, I started to get
> >> >> what seemed to
> >> >>
> >> >> >be
> >> >> >fuel surge, which was caused by the heat factor, if I didn't
> >> run the line
> >>
> >> >> >back
> >> >> >to the surge tank then I would of run out.
> >> >> >I would not rely on the primary pump even on the street, as
> >> you say he is
> >>
> >> >> >probably going to give it a caning.
> >> >> >Peter
> >> >> >SR20DE Race Car (1600)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >justin darragh wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Guys, guys, guys,
> >> >> >> I do understand all that you are saying and thanx but, at the
> >> >> end of the
> >> >>
> >> >> >day
> >> >> >> I am building the thing for a 19yr old who will, no dout do
> >> >> silly things
> >> >>
> >> >> >> with it. There will come the day he is out driving in the heat
> >> >> of summer
> >> >>
> >> >> >> with little cash on a country road, pull into a servo with no
> >> >> >"opti-fen-max"
> >> >> >> and have a good cane and f#*k my beautiful job. I realise that surge
>
> >> >> >return
> >> >> >> has a few advantages but none outway doing a job right the
> >> first time.
> >>
> >> >> >> Nothing excuses a motor detonating from hot fuel. Too many
> >> racers have
> >>
> >> >> >> learnt this. I dont want a 2lt swirl pot or a fuel cooler.
> >> Subs in the
> >>
> >> >> >back
> >> >> >> tells me the system is going under the car so a liter pot is
> >> >> being used.
> >> >>
> >> >> >I
> >> >> >> am returning rail fuel to the tank.Thanx Errol/list
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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