That was the Alfa-Brabbham flat 12.
There is an interesting write up on it in Allan Staniforth's "Race and Rally
Car Preparation".
Even in the pits when the mechanics would blip the engine, the whole car
would just hoover/squat itself to the ground and then spring back up!
~~~~~~~~~~~
My theory for interesting racing is-
1.That race tracks should be allowed to deteriorate so that there are lots
of lumps and bumps. This would force the teams to run soft suspension to
avoid spearing off the track. To avoid the cars squatting down onto their
bump stops and pitching at high speed they would be forced to run less wing.
Voila! Drifting is back.
2.Variety, not 'even' racing is what is interesting.
All F1 cars are V10 engined, with pretty much the same chassis - only detail
changes. The F1 solution has 'converged'.
The best race I ever saw was the last one at Amaroo Park between a Mini
Cooper and a Ford Falcon Sprint. The Mini could outbrake and outcorner the
Falcon, but would just get blown away on the straights - I found it
enthralling.
Similar story at Bathurst, everyone has seen the old footage of Moffat
bouncing down Conrod in his GTHO Phase 3 on stock looking suspension at 140+
Mph.
Holden gave up trying to out-muscle it and went for SLR cars.
3. Only race on 'real' tracks, Bathurst, Nurburgring (old), Monza (old),
Brands Hatch, etc... Ban chicanes outright, at least one, preferably all
corners to be heart in mouth, 100%-commitment stuff - SWEET.
Just think, if Joe Public got interested in motor sport again he might even
learn to drive properly!!
Nick,
----- Original Message -----
From: Pooley, Trevor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
> I remember a few years back one team got in poo because they designed this
> fan type of thing that sucked the car to the road, that would be great for
> grip, but someone spewed and it got outlawed like many other great ideas!!
>
> I remember that, they worked like a reverse hovercraft and used ground
> effects to suck the car down on the ground. They could then run less front
> and rear wing ie less drag at high speed. They were in real hot poo when
the
> ground effects ripped off from scraping the ground too much. I think thats
> why it was banned. In those days they had active suspension to. Hmmm
>
> Trev
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geordie Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2000 15:42
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
>
>
> Hmm, Tyres depend a lot on aerodynamic grip too. If the car aint sitting
on
> the road then the tyres can't grip.
>
> I remember a few years back one team got in poo because they designed this
> fan type of thing that sucked the car to the road, that would be great for
> grip, but someone spewed and it got outlawed like many other great ideas!!
>
> The rules should be written to this effect:
> * Do anything you like, except ram other cars. It's not a demo derby, it's
a
> race.
> * Make the fastest car possible, but do it safely.
> * Go as fast as you like.
> * May the best team win!
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Zac Campbell
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2000 1:57 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
> >
> >
> > That's not the answer Geordie :)
> > FIA fucked up a few years ago when they introduced the grooved
> > tyres. It did
> > achieve one of their objectives which was to remove some control
> > from the drivers.
> > You do see them getting a bit sideways occasionally (supposedly
> > adds to excitement)
> > but FIA forgot that they are the best drivers in the world! :)
> > But it also made
> > passing very difficult. Thus making the racing a little boring
> > and placing too
> > much emphasis on pitstops.
> >
> > What they need is more tyre grip and less aerodynamic grip.
> >
> > zac
> >
> > >This sort of racing is getting way too restrictive. It's becoming quite
> > >boring really... I reckon they should scrap all the rules and
> > start again.
> >
> > >If they want 100,000hp and are able to develop it, then I reckon
> > let 'em!!
> >
> > >:)
> > >
> > >Changing rules because one team is more competitive is not what
> > it's about
> >
> > >in my opinion. I reckon, let the better driver with the better
technology
> > >win, fair and square!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Zac
Campbell
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2000 1:12 PM
> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Terry, Ferrari admitted before the race they were going to use
> > >> this cooling technique.
> > >> It is currently not banned (so was available for Monza) but FIA
> > >> have decided
> > >> to ban it immediately, effective next race (Indianapolis).
> > >> McLaren aren't happy cos they lost!!!
> > >>
> > >> zac
> > >>
> > >> >Did you hear that Farari got caught chilling their fuel for
> > Monza at the
> >
> > >> >weekend - will Michael lose the points? McLaren are not happy
> > >> about it for
> > >>
> > >> >some reason.
> > >> >
> > >> >terry
> > >> >
> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad
HALLETT
> > >> >Sent: Monday, 11 September 2000 11:06 PM
> > >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >Subject: RE: Errol/list/zac
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Mate of mine just built a burnout car, and they have a 'chilly
> > >> bin' between
> > >>
> > >> >the surge tank and the fuel rail. It is an aluminium box,
> > with a copper
> >
> > >> >coil through the middle. Fuel goes through the copper coil, and
> > >> they fill
> > >>
> > >> >the box with ice before a run, ensuring very cold fuel. I must
> > >> play with my
> > >>
> > >> >12V Engel to see if I can rig up a permanent solution!!!
> > >> >
> > >> >Regards
> > >> >Brad HALLETT
> > >> >
> > >> >Proudly Endorsing:
> > >> >...DATRATS...
> > >> >http://203.33.35.3
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> > >> >For Nissan Motorsport Components
> > >> >Professional Budget Priced competition equipment
> > >> >Contact Errol SMITH
> > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Errol
Smith
> > >> >Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:28 PM
> > >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >Subject: Re: Errol/list/zac
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Pete,
> > >> >Run a restrictor in the return line to the tank and a good Hi Flow
LP
> > >> >supply pump. There is no reason you would have a problem on the
> > >> hottest day
> > >>
> > >> >with this setup.
> > >> >Cheers
> > >> >Feral Errol.
> > >> >S13 SR20DE Race Car (KB310), L14 (1598 cc)Road/Race Car
> > (KB310), KB310
> >
> > >> >(S14 SR20 DET) In the system, S3 910 S/Wagon S14 SR20
> > VVT/Motec, KPA 510
> >
> > >> >(Stanza Coupe) stock as a rock, VB11 (Pulsar N13?) Postie
> > Panel Van (E15
> >
> > >> >turbo on Gas Research Carb Yee-Hah!)
> > >> >
> > >> >----------
> > >> >From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >Subject: Re: Errol/list/zac
> > >> >Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:08
> > >> >
> > >> >My two cents worth!
> > >> >I have run the line back to the Surge tank, as I think it's
> > best to keep
> >
> > >> >the
> > >> >Surge tank full at all times, an example of this is a recent
> > meeting at
> >
> > >> >Winton
> > >> >on a hot day. Coming into turn one and two, I started to get
> > >> what seemed to
> > >>
> > >> >be
> > >> >fuel surge, which was caused by the heat factor, if I didn't
> > run the line
> >
> > >> >back
> > >> >to the surge tank then I would of run out.
> > >> >I would not rely on the primary pump even on the street, as
> > you say he is
> >
> > >> >probably going to give it a caning.
> > >> >Peter
> > >> >SR20DE Race Car (1600)
> > >> >
> > >> >justin darragh wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Guys, guys, guys,
> > >> >> I do understand all that you are saying and thanx but, at the
> > >> end of the
> > >>
> > >> >day
> > >> >> I am building the thing for a 19yr old who will, no dout do
> > >> silly things
> > >>
> > >> >> with it. There will come the day he is out driving in the heat
> > >> of summer
> > >>
> > >> >> with little cash on a country road, pull into a servo with no
> > >> >"opti-fen-max"
> > >> >> and have a good cane and f#*k my beautiful job. I realise that
surge
> > >> >return
> > >> >> has a few advantages but none outway doing a job right the
> > first time.
> >
> > >> >> Nothing excuses a motor detonating from hot fuel. Too many
> > racers have
> >
> > >> >> learnt this. I dont want a 2lt swirl pot or a fuel cooler.
> > Subs in the
> >
> > >> >back
> > >> >> tells me the system is going under the car so a liter pot is
> > >> being used.
> > >>
> > >> >I
> > >> >> am returning rail fuel to the tank.Thanx Errol/list
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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