And can the pedal be pumped up to something like hard? The correct method to bleed the brakes on a Datto with a standard dual cylinder conversion is bleed the slave furthursest away from the master cylinder first then the other side eg for rear LR/RR (on a RHD). Doesn't matter much if the fronts are done first (LF/RF) but as I'm old school (like grew up with single cylinder crap) I tend to bleed rears first as a matter of habit. You gotta be careful of the bleed order with modern day stuff as some of them do diagonals on the same circuit, specially FWD crap.
Regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Cleary's Sent: Friday, 7 July 2006 12:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Brake Problem just make sure u press brake pedal before loosening nipple, is the pedal hard? or does it sink to the floor, Heath ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Brake Problem > Heath, > > Yeah i was always told start from furtherst nipple first... > > "foot in nip, foot out, loosen, foot in nip" > was my short hand for loosen nipple, depress brake pedal tighten up > nipple (nip it up ;) ), loosen nipple, depress.......So yeah what you > said > > i'm in nsw - i worked on the brakes for a few hours today and still > don't feel any closer to figuring out the problem. I ran another > bottle through the rear lines and managed to push through a couple of > small bubbles - so maybe it's just that. Just a guess - but there is > probably more air in there - a little annoyed today with the whole > thing... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Cleary's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: Brake Problem > > > > FR/FL/RR/RL? > > i was told that you bled the furthest first, ie RL, then RR then FL > > then FR last, > > but with a dual system it probably doesn;t really matter if it's front or > > rear first? > > > > u lost me with this > > foot in nip, foot out, loosen, foot in nip, etc > > > > pump the pedal, hold the pedal down then loosen the bleed nipple, > > but before the pedal hits the floor, tighten the bleen nipple, then > > pump the pedal a > > couple of times and repeat. > > is this what you mean?? > > r u in Brisbane? > > i found my receipt for all my brake bits, my MC is a JB1289 > > > > Heath > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:21 AM > > Subject: Re: Brake Problem > > > > > >> Richard, > >> > >> Thanks for taking the time to type all of that. That's exactly how > >> i've > > bled > >> the system - foot in nip, foot out, loosen, foot in nip, etc... > >> I've > > changed > >> brakes on all my cars previously and never had this problem. Mind > >> you - > > the > >> datto has new tubing throughout so air could quite possibly be > >> stuck in there? Although I have put a number of bottles through the > >> system now. > >> > >> I actually haven't checked the master cylinder properly yet - so > >> i'll > > check > >> that one today, but all the other nipples are flowing fluid with no > > bubbles. > >> This is the reason I thought there maybe a leak - power has to be > >> lost somewhere and then on the flipside if there was a leak then > >> the fluid > > levels > >> would drop and guess what - they haven't ;) > >> > >> I'll bet $100 on it being a stupid mistake of mine - just a matter > >> of finding it. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> Thanks i'll check the booster as you've mentioned. With re to the > >> M/C leaking - as I said above, I would have thought that the fluid > >> levels > > would > >> drop with a leak and that's just not happening... > >> > >> thanks for the suggestions guys, hopefully I have some good news > >> this > > arvo. > >> > >> cheers, > >> Adam > >> . > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Richard Clough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:49 PM > >> Subject: Re: Brake Problem > >> > >> > >> > OK, back to basics. > >> > 1 Are you bleeding it correctly? > >> > Dont allow pumped fluid to be drawn back when lifting the brake pedal. > >> > Fit a plastic tube to the bleed nipple. Run the tube to a > >> > container of > >> > brake fluid. Ensure the end of the tube is emersed in brake > >> > fluid when > >> > pumping. Nip off the bleeder, before lifting the pedal. This > >> > takes two > >> > people one to operate the bleed nipple and one to pump the pedal. > >> > > >> > 2 Does fluid flow cleanly (no air bubbles) from the master > >> > cylinder bleeder or outlet pipe? If not fix it. (Bleed it or > >> > repair it) If yes, > >> > 3 Does fluid flow cleanly from each of the four wheel cylinders, after > >> > being bled in the order FR/FL/RR/RL? > >> > If no, find out why. > >> > If yes, > >> > After locking all bleeders hold down the brake pedal and check > >> > for leaks thoughout all brake lines and flexible hoses - > >> > particularly check for cracks in hoses and fluid leaks at pipe > >> > connections. These can be hard > > to > >> > detect if the component fitting is wet with fluid. > >> > 3 If the fluid is flowing air free through the system, with no > >> > leaks, check the operation of the Power Booster. Probably a job > >> > for a professional Brake Mechanic. > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Adam Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:13 PM > >> > Subject: Re: Brake Problem > >> > > >> > > >> >> Richard & Matt, > >> >> > >> >> Thanks - that's the way I have it setup atm. I still can't find > >> >> the problem - brakes have zero power - infact I jacked up the > >> >> back took off the wheels, started up the motor and put it in > >> >> gear. I just let the engines idle spin the discs. I jump on the > >> >> brakes and it doesn't seem > > to > >> >> have much clamping force. I'd expect it to stall the engine > >> >> straight away - but i had to really stomp on the brakes to get > >> >> that to happen. > >> >> > >> >> Bit lost with this problem. I can't find any leaks, fluid is > >> >> getting to all calipers as I have bled them all and no air is > >> >> coming out. I think > >> >> i'm going to bleed the brakes with a couple of bottles of fluid > >> >> just to be sure. > >> >> > >> >> Are there any other reasons that may cause zero power in the > >> >> brake system? The booster has kicked the bucket perhaps? Is > >> >> there anyway of > >> >> checking the booster is working correctly? > >> >> > >> >> cheers, > >> >> Adam > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Richard Clough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:35 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: Brake Problem > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>I would recommend Nipple up, so air bleeds out first. Nipple > >> >>>down will leave the air trapped inside while fluid runs out. > >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> From: "Adam Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>> To: <[email protected]> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:45 AM > >> >>> Subject: Re: Brake Problem > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> Ok - sorry if there was areply to this already, I had a > >> >>>> problem with > > my > >> >>>> email and it's deleted all of the last 3 or 4 days worth of > >> >>>> emails :\ > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I just checked my mastercylinder and it has 7/8 clearly > >> >>>> stamped on > > the > >> >>>> side of it. So i'm guessing maybe a leak? I'm yet to find a > >> >>>> leak - everything seems pretty good and the brakes were bled > >> >>>> with zero > > bubbles > >> >>>> coming out. Also, i'm still a little concerned about the front > > brakes - > >> >>>> which side is which??? ie nipple up top or bottom - I remember > >> >>>> on a > >> >>>> mates 180sx we put on new brakes and forgot which was L and R > >> >>>> and > > ended > >> >>>> up putting them on the wrong sides they didn't work at all but swap > >> >>>> them over and problem solved. 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