What was the alternative? We saw how difficult it was to take Iwo Jima and 
other pacific islands. The Japanese weren't about to just stop and lay down 
their arms.

We're talking about an Imperialist government that had proven it had zero 
regard for any of the peoples it enslaved. Thats not our theoretical 
enslavement, they really did roll into places like China and the Philippines 
and enslave them. If those "innocent people" that we dropped nukes on had said 
"No don't do this" to their own government we wouldn't have had to make our 
move. We had to convince the Japanese leadership that we had the biggest stick 
on the planet and they had two options: stop fighting and learn to place nice 
or die.

Witness what happened afterward, we went from big bad bully with the stick to 
Japan's best friend. We rebuilt the place and set them up to bypass us in 
manufacturing prowess, then bought everything they made...

Of course we apparently also taught them how to screw up the gravy train.

-Curt


Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:56:41 -0400
From: Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
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my point is mainly that it is super suspicious that there is always this
story of an "evil power" intent on "taking over the world" to "enslave"
everyone unless we stop them.  it is the stuff of pro wrestling and
children's cartoons and it is nonsense.  combine this with our missionary
zeal to aggressively "free" those who are "enslaved" around the world and
we have become one of the greatest menaces to human life and liberty in the
history of the world.  i read an article just the other day that cites 8
million dead since WWII at the hands of the USA war machine. , i think the
american are finally starting to smarten up, albeit in small but growing
numbers, that joining the syrian civil war is not actually going to serve
to "make the world safe for democracy"  american imperialism ought not be
tolerated by the people and the warfare state needs to be dismantled.  to
much of the world, we are today that "crazy enemy force" and i believe our
survival as a nation depends on people opposing our behaving in the manner
that makes us such

i'd like you to recognize that opposition to massacre of civilian
populations as retribution for war crimes committed by unrelated members of
the same nation is not an unreasonable position,.  some of us do not
support this and some of us will not murderous military adventures around
the globe, both for moral and pragmatic reasons.  i suggest instead that
war is best avoided, even if you are the biggest kid on the block and can
do the lion's share of the killing
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