But governments don't have memories. There always young whippersnappers in
charge who they have all the answers and think, "We're gonna do it right
this time."
Wilton
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From: "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
Life teaches lessons.. War teaches lessons fast.. Same end result.. just
add carnage and suffering..
The lesson taught and learned in both theaters in WW2 was "Don't do
this"..
it was both well taught.. and well learned... to whit.. Germany is now our
friend and makes good stuff.. Japan is now peaceful and our friend and
makes good stuff.. we trade with both.. neither is plotting our overthrow,
nor are we plotting theirs.. for the past 67 years...
War is about winning.. Winning requires that the winner bring so much
death, destruction, and hardship upon the opposition that they lose their
will to fight. That happened in WW2 ... in two theaters..
WW2 was the last "clean war" with clear objectives and clear opponents...
every conflict since then has been a political war with fuzzy definition
of
who the sides really were and why.. For our entire lifetimes we have only
seen and been told "fuzzy" reasons to go to war...
Wonder why we no longer have a strong moral public compass? I don't.
Grant...
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Larry T <l02tur...@comcast.net> wrote:
Actually we invaded Okinawa and the civilians had been so heavily
propagandized to believe the USA would rape and murder every person they
came upon that many threw themselves from cliffs - I think it was
something over 1000 that did so. There is video showing people doing
this
and it is very disturbing. Also, the civilians in Japans - down to 6
year
olds were being armed with sticks and grenades to use when the Americans
arrived. They estimated the US would lose 1 million or more men with 2-3
times that many Japanese killed. The use of nuclear weapons saved many
lives - millions actually.
You are certainly right about Iwo Jima being a killing field for the US -
the sand was like quicksand and the Japanese had pre-sighted all the
landing areas so they had no trouble hitting American targets - also, the
beach head was narrow as they had trouble moving off the beach so the US
had a lot of soldiers in a small area which the Japanese shelled at will.
I suspect the landing beaches on Japan itself would have been as bad or
worse...
LarryT
On 9/9/2013 11:01 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation...
I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to
sit in a Toyota 40 years later.
On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly
accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions
of
Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low
yield
nukes?
Mitch.
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