Although one may somehow plant seeds of unity until they are blue in the face, IMO there is not enough water on the planet to make all the seeds turn into plants. Even if some seeds started to grow, the massive boots of greed, power, and religious diversity would soon trample them back into the earth. Pessimistic? Unfortunately I feel it is realistic. Not to say that one shouldn't try.
On Aug 10, 6:01 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > If we planted the seed of Unity it wouldn't be that far away. > > peace & Love > > > > > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:25:51 -0700 > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > Amartya Sen and co are here working on draft of a Right To Food act > > for the cabinet, to be introduced in the parliament. His interviews on > > Justice, and all factors converging on it, had critically reasoned > > elements. > > > Our education system must create and meet the desire to know, to > > analyse and synthesise, and to critically examine, followed up with > > employable skills. People must be helped to being without this stress > > and insecurity drivenness that distorts the very personality, fills us > > with the grab - all attitude, and takes the joy of being out of us > > except in the exercise of power and pride of posssession. > > > However, restoration of the ( of, by and for the people ) government > > to the people is far, far away. > > > On Aug 10, 7:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think it's rather unfair to think of unscientific America - there is > > > little of the scientific world-view across the world. Orn always > > > correctly points out that science is just part of something else, and > > > scientists come with their own baggage of interests. > > > When it comes to schooling there is little doubt we get a huge amount > > > wrong as the system seems intent on accreditation of meritocracy and > > > justifying acquisition > > > of wealth rather than helping us form a virtuous society. The elite > > > have long been schooling their own well away from the rest, and it has > > > long seemed to me that we force much that is irrelevant down the > > > throats of anyone participating and are actually forcing more people > > > into failure despite handing out more and more certificates. > > > Bankers tell us they need to pay massive fees to get and retain the > > > right people, as though what they do is very difficult and only a tiny > > > few can do it - the rest of us will be doomed to failure unless they > > > can pay their bonuses etc. Yet no scientific analysis can show that > > > this bwanking stuff is actually difficult or even what it really is. > > > This is Chris' hiding the obvious in plain view. We are donkeys if we > > > swallow this guff. Talk of single Gaussian copula maths (actually > > > just a variant on frequency distribution) covers the placing of pigs > > > in pokes and the growth of magic beans. > > > 'Power talk' is actually as backward and mythical as creationism, and > > > we are all schooled in it, even if we have only learned to kow-tow or > > > sing from the hymn-sheet as politicians and never drift off-message. > > > Science has failed to become as big a part of our lives as it should > > > because it has always remained part of a political mess that we are > > > scared to address. My guess is that we are taught to be scared. > > > In the end I don't see education as the answer - at least not schools > > > and universities. We have to dare to do something different. I'd > > > start with giving everyone the right to work and a requirement to work > > > towards peaceful and resilient societies. This requires us to > > > recognise we don't have to rip-off other people and the planet to > > > achieve peace and resilience. For all our science and education we > > > haven't even been able to agree on this, surely a sign our education > > > is a failure? > > > > On 10 Aug, 01:17, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I trust some teacher's, doctors and 'we the people'. But certainly > > > > not all of them. I'd like to be able to chose the ones I like and pay > > > > them what I think they're worth. Let's not forget 'we the people' > > > > gave us President George W Bush. For two terms. > > > > > As for trust I use it selectively. Trust but verify works for me. > > > > Perhaps I'd rather be able to decide how best to spend my tax dollars > > > > on my children's education. Perhaps I'm not too concerned about > > > > convicts sharing cells and showers. If it was up to me I'd have them > > > > sharing cots in 3 shifts and working 14 hours a day 6 days a week to > > > > earn privileges and cigarettes or conjugal visits. Perhaps I think MY > > > > excellent insurance will evaporate under universal government > > > > subsidized health care and I'll be forced into standing in line with > > > > the huddled masses. > > > > > What could be more equal then giving every child a 9,500 dollar a year > > > > voucher to attend the private school of their choice? The biggest > > > > mistake government makes is thinking we're all a bunch of morons that > > > > need to constantly be taken care of. What? Public school teachers > > > > support teachers unions and don't like vouchers? I am shocked! > > > > > Yeah, I know all about the former Enron adviser Paul Krugman. He used > > > > to be an economist before he became a cheerleader fro the democratic > > > > party in the pages of the NYT;s. He's actually calling for MORE > > > > stimulus money. I know which propagandists I plan to ignore the > > > > advice of. > > > > > dj > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM, > > > > ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Not nuff!!!! Perhaps you do not trust teachers with teaching…I do. > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust doctors with practicing medicine … I do. > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust ‘we the people’ when it comes to government…I > > > > > do. > > > > > > Perhaps you do trust politicians when it comes to what children learn > > > > > in school as well as to what books they have. Perhaps you trust > > > > > religions when it comes to education and what children learn. Perhaps > > > > > you think that the main reason our prisons are overflowing has nothing > > > > > to do with their privatization. Perhaps you think that a single payer > > > > > universal health plan will be both more expensive and less affective > > > > > than the privatized system we have now. I don’t know. > > > > > > There are some things that the government is good for and some things > > > > > where other systems are better. The founders defined the general areas > > > > > of responsibility. > > > > > > When it comes to financing education, the inefficiency and inequality > > > > > of the voucher system is not good for society on many fronts. . . > > > > > including, but in no way limited to the lack of separation between > > > > > church and state, a politicized system of education, a lack of a > > > > > homogeneous and egalitarian system altogether. > > > > > > Ask some of the teachers here about those ‘large offices for > > > > > administration’ in grades 12 and under…while some may not like the > > > > > thinking of some of the people in said offices, few are large nor not > > > > > needed. And, where would the unruly be sent? ….to the police station? > > > > > Perhaps we could privatize the principle’s job and bring in > > > > > Blackwater! Seriously, while about 45% of students in, say Detroit do > > > > > not graduate from high school today, things were different prior to > > > > > the voucher system. I seem to remember decades ago that those who > > > > > skipped school actually had people sent out to get them! Vouchers have > > > > > little to do with what is learned. The main reason for a poorer > > > > > education system today is the aftershock of the tax revolt in > > > > > California from 1978 having to do with proposition 13. > > > > >http://www.soapblox.com/index.php?p=198 > > > > > The result over the last 30 years is obvious. Yes, a few of the > > > > > wealthy now spend less on taxes and more of the poor spend more…the > > > > > result is less money for the public good. The graduated income tax was > > > > > working quite well until it was broken apart by avarice. It is no > > > > > accident that this is a ‘sin’ in many religions. > > > > > > When it comes to teacher and other unions, the propaganda found in the > > > > > media is legion. Having a few teachers in the family, I wish the > > > > > unions were even more powerful…teaching and the supporting systems > > > > > have changed drastically due to politics over the last 30 years and > > > > > for the worse in general. This had precious little to do with the > > > > > teachers themselves. They were not nearly as powerful as congress nor > > > > > the corporate activists. > > > > > > The days for slogans is long over if we wish to rebuild what has been > > > > > destroyed over the last handful of decades. In other words, ignore > > > > > corporate news outlets. > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2:16 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Now that news = infotainment and consumerism; and politics = vested > > > > > >> > interests of those who pay lobbiests the most, all that is needed > > > > >> > is > > > > >> > to finish the privatization of the public education along with > > > > >> > raising > > > > >> > the cost to levels only the wealthy can afford. > > > > > >> ? -privatization would increase competition and costs would probably > > > > >> decrease. Perhaps classes would no longer need to be carried out in > > > > >> palaces with huge offices for administrators but the quality of > > > > >> education would increase for those actually interested in learning. > > > > >> Check the success of vouchers in the DC area over the last several > > > > >> years Orn. It might be enlightening. No lobby is more powerful or > > > > >> more well taken care of then the Teachers Unions. nuff said. > > > > > >> dj > > > > > >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:41 PM, > > > > >> ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > Now that news = infotainment and consumerism; and politics = vested > > > > >> > interests of those who pay lobbiests the most, all that is needed > > > > >> > is > > > > >> > to finish the privatization of the public education along with > > > > >> > raising > > > > >> > the cost to levels only the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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