You're way behind Slip ole buddy. I'm onto the Feeling now, haven't used the "thing" since I turned you on to the web site.
If you need tutoring off forum, I'll be happy to help you out :-) peace & Love > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:14:10 -0700 > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Maybe if you stop using the word "thing" someone might be able to > visualize. > > The only visualization I get from the word "thing" is............. > > http://images.google.com/images?oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=volkswagen+thing&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=A9OASvndCZHIMMPc3Z4L&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1 > > You see Tinker, people should get more than just simple words like "my > idea" and the "thing" that you have been talking about for months. > > Perhaps you just don't understand and it is beyond your grasp. If you > could just let me know what it is you don't understand. > > > On Aug 10, 8:02 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you sir, for an honest reply. > > > > I don't have a dream, I do see a possibility. > > > > peace & Love > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:34:33 -0700 > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > I don't have to try and misunderstand, it comes naturally. ;-] > > > > > All I'm saying is that 'One'-ness is a dream you may have, that I find > > > impossible to even begin to contemplate. No symbol, thought, religion, > > > God, drug or anything else will create Unity in my opinion. > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:08 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > There you go again, not trying to understand. > > > > > > ""the" seed" It has to be a thing of 'One'-ness. > > > > Like something we all have in common recognized with a Universal symbol. > > > > The many seeds you are talking about are not of Unity. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:36:36 -0700 > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Although one may somehow plant seeds of unity until they are blue in > > > > > the face, IMO there is not enough water on the planet to make all the > > > > > seeds turn into plants. Even if some seeds started to grow, the > > > > > massive boots of greed, power, and religious diversity would soon > > > > > trample them back into the earth. Pessimistic? Unfortunately I feel it > > > > > is realistic. Not to say that one shouldn't try. > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 6:01 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > If we planted the seed of Unity it wouldn't be that far away. > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:25:51 -0700 > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > Amartya Sen and co are here working on draft of a Right To Food > > > > > > > act > > > > > > > for the cabinet, to be introduced in the parliament. His > > > > > > > interviews on > > > > > > > Justice, and all factors converging on it, had critically reasoned > > > > > > > elements. > > > > > > > > > Our education system must create and meet the desire to know, to > > > > > > > analyse and synthesise, and to critically examine, followed up > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > employable skills. People must be helped to being without this > > > > > > > stress > > > > > > > and insecurity drivenness that distorts the very personality, > > > > > > > fills us > > > > > > > with the grab - all attitude, and takes the joy of being out of us > > > > > > > except in the exercise of power and pride of posssession. > > > > > > > > > However, restoration of the ( of, by and for the people ) > > > > > > > government > > > > > > > to the people is far, far away. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think it's rather unfair to think of unscientific America - > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > little of the scientific world-view across the world. Orn > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > correctly points out that science is just part of something > > > > > > > > else, and > > > > > > > > scientists come with their own baggage of interests. > > > > > > > > When it comes to schooling there is little doubt we get a huge > > > > > > > > amount > > > > > > > > wrong as the system seems intent on accreditation of > > > > > > > > meritocracy and > > > > > > > > justifying acquisition > > > > > > > > of wealth rather than helping us form a virtuous society. The > > > > > > > > elite > > > > > > > > have long been schooling their own well away from the rest, and > > > > > > > > it has > > > > > > > > long seemed to me that we force much that is irrelevant down the > > > > > > > > throats of anyone participating and are actually forcing more > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > into failure despite handing out more and more certificates. > > > > > > > > Bankers tell us they need to pay massive fees to get and retain > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right people, as though what they do is very difficult and only > > > > > > > > a tiny > > > > > > > > few can do it - the rest of us will be doomed to failure unless > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > can pay their bonuses etc. Yet no scientific analysis can show > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > this bwanking stuff is actually difficult or even what it > > > > > > > > really is. > > > > > > > > This is Chris' hiding the obvious in plain view. We are > > > > > > > > donkeys if we > > > > > > > > swallow this guff. Talk of single Gaussian copula maths > > > > > > > > (actually > > > > > > > > just a variant on frequency distribution) covers the placing of > > > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > > in pokes and the growth of magic beans. > > > > > > > > 'Power talk' is actually as backward and mythical as > > > > > > > > creationism, and > > > > > > > > we are all schooled in it, even if we have only learned to > > > > > > > > kow-tow or > > > > > > > > sing from the hymn-sheet as politicians and never drift > > > > > > > > off-message. > > > > > > > > Science has failed to become as big a part of our lives as it > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > because it has always remained part of a political mess that we > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > scared to address. My guess is that we are taught to be scared. > > > > > > > > In the end I don't see education as the answer - at least not > > > > > > > > schools > > > > > > > > and universities. We have to dare to do something different. > > > > > > > > I'd > > > > > > > > start with giving everyone the right to work and a requirement > > > > > > > > to work > > > > > > > > towards peaceful and resilient societies. This requires us to > > > > > > > > recognise we don't have to rip-off other people and the planet > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > achieve peace and resilience. For all our science and > > > > > > > > education we > > > > > > > > haven't even been able to agree on this, surely a sign our > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > is a failure? > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Aug, 01:17, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I trust some teacher's, doctors and 'we the people'. But > > > > > > > > > certainly > > > > > > > > > not all of them. I'd like to be able to chose the ones I > > > > > > > > > like and pay > > > > > > > > > them what I think they're worth. Let's not forget 'we the > > > > > > > > > people' > > > > > > > > > gave us President George W Bush. For two terms. > > > > > > > > > > > As for trust I use it selectively. Trust but verify works > > > > > > > > > for me. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'd rather be able to decide how best to spend my tax > > > > > > > > > dollars > > > > > > > > > on my children's education. Perhaps I'm not too concerned > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > convicts sharing cells and showers. If it was up to me I'd > > > > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > > > sharing cots in 3 shifts and working 14 hours a day 6 days a > > > > > > > > > week to > > > > > > > > > earn privileges and cigarettes or conjugal visits. Perhaps I > > > > > > > > > think MY > > > > > > > > > excellent insurance will evaporate under universal government > > > > > > > > > subsidized health care and I'll be forced into standing in > > > > > > > > > line with > > > > > > > > > the huddled masses. > > > > > > > > > > > What could be more equal then giving every child a 9,500 > > > > > > > > > dollar a year > > > > > > > > > voucher to attend the private school of their choice? The > > > > > > > > > biggest > > > > > > > > > mistake government makes is thinking we're all a bunch of > > > > > > > > > morons that > > > > > > > > > need to constantly be taken care of. What? Public school > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > support teachers unions and don't like vouchers? I am > > > > > > > > > shocked! > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know all about the former Enron adviser Paul Krugman. > > > > > > > > > He used > > > > > > > > > to be an economist before he became a cheerleader fro the > > > > > > > > > democratic > > > > > > > > > party in the pages of the NYT;s. He's actually calling for > > > > > > > > > MORE > > > > > > > > > stimulus money. I know which propagandists I plan to ignore > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > advice of. > > > > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM, > > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not nuff!!!! Perhaps you do not trust teachers with > > > > > > > > > > teaching…I do. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust doctors with practicing medicine … > > > > > > > > > > I do. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust ‘we the people’ when it comes to > > > > > > > > > > government…I > > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do trust politicians when it comes to what > > > > > > > > > > children learn > > > > > > > > > > in school as well as to what books they have. Perhaps you > > > > > > > > > > trust > > > > > > > > > > religions when it comes to education and what children > > > > > > > > > > learn. Perhaps > > > > > > > > > > you think that the main reason our prisons are overflowing > > > > > > > > > > has nothing > > > > > > > > > > to do with their privatization. Perhaps you think that a > > > > > > > > > > single payer > > > > > > > > > > universal health plan will be both more expensive and less > > > > > > > > > > affective > > > > > > > > > > than the privatized system we have now. I don’t know. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some things that the government is good for and > > > > > > > > > > some things > > > > > > > > > > where other systems are better. The founders defined the > > > > > > > > > > general areas > > > > > > > > > > of responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to financing education, the inefficiency and > > > > > > > > > > inequality > > > > > > > > > > of the voucher system is not good for society on many > > > > > > > > > > fronts. . . > > > > > > > > > > including, but in no way limited to the lack of separation > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > church and state, a politicized system of education, a lack > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > homogeneous and egalitarian system altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask some of the teachers here about those ‘large offices for > > > > > > > > > > administration’ in grades 12 and under…while some may not > > > > > > > > > > like the > > > > > > > > > > thinking of some of the people in said offices, few are > > > > > > > > > > large nor not > > > > > > > > > > needed. And, where would the unruly be sent? ….to the > > > > > > > > > > police station? > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we could privatize the principle’s job and bring in > > > > > > > > > > Blackwater! Seriously, while about 45% of students in, say > > > > > > > > > > Detroit do > > > > > > > > > > not graduate from high school today, things were different > > > > > > > > > > prior to > > > > > > > > > > the voucher system. I seem to remember decades ago that > > > > > > > > > > those who > > > > > > > > > > skipped school actually had people sent out to get them! > > > > > > > > > > Vouchers have > > > > > > > > > > little to do with what is learned. The main reason for a > > > > > > > > > > poorer > > > > > > > > > > education system today is the aftershock of the tax revolt > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > California from 1978 > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
