Maybe if you stop using the word "thing" someone might be able to visualize.
The only visualization I get from the word "thing" is............. http://images.google.com/images?oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=volkswagen+thing&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=A9OASvndCZHIMMPc3Z4L&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1 You see Tinker, people should get more than just simple words like "my idea" and the "thing" that you have been talking about for months. Perhaps you just don't understand and it is beyond your grasp. If you could just let me know what it is you don't understand. On Aug 10, 8:02 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you sir, for an honest reply. > > I don't have a dream, I do see a possibility. > > peace & Love > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:34:33 -0700 > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > I don't have to try and misunderstand, it comes naturally. ;-] > > > All I'm saying is that 'One'-ness is a dream you may have, that I find > > impossible to even begin to contemplate. No symbol, thought, religion, > > God, drug or anything else will create Unity in my opinion. > > > On Aug 10, 7:08 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There you go again, not trying to understand. > > > > ""the" seed" It has to be a thing of 'One'-ness. > > > Like something we all have in common recognized with a Universal symbol. > > > The many seeds you are talking about are not of Unity. > > > > peace & Love > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:36:36 -0700 > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Although one may somehow plant seeds of unity until they are blue in > > > > the face, IMO there is not enough water on the planet to make all the > > > > seeds turn into plants. Even if some seeds started to grow, the > > > > massive boots of greed, power, and religious diversity would soon > > > > trample them back into the earth. Pessimistic? Unfortunately I feel it > > > > is realistic. Not to say that one shouldn't try. > > > > > On Aug 10, 6:01 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > If we planted the seed of Unity it wouldn't be that far away. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:25:51 -0700 > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Amartya Sen and co are here working on draft of a Right To Food act > > > > > > for the cabinet, to be introduced in the parliament. His interviews > > > > > > on > > > > > > Justice, and all factors converging on it, had critically reasoned > > > > > > elements. > > > > > > > Our education system must create and meet the desire to know, to > > > > > > analyse and synthesise, and to critically examine, followed up with > > > > > > employable skills. People must be helped to being without this > > > > > > stress > > > > > > and insecurity drivenness that distorts the very personality, fills > > > > > > us > > > > > > with the grab - all attitude, and takes the joy of being out of us > > > > > > except in the exercise of power and pride of posssession. > > > > > > > However, restoration of the ( of, by and for the people ) government > > > > > > to the people is far, far away. > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think it's rather unfair to think of unscientific America - > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > little of the scientific world-view across the world. Orn always > > > > > > > correctly points out that science is just part of something else, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > scientists come with their own baggage of interests. > > > > > > > When it comes to schooling there is little doubt we get a huge > > > > > > > amount > > > > > > > wrong as the system seems intent on accreditation of meritocracy > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > justifying acquisition > > > > > > > of wealth rather than helping us form a virtuous society. The > > > > > > > elite > > > > > > > have long been schooling their own well away from the rest, and > > > > > > > it has > > > > > > > long seemed to me that we force much that is irrelevant down the > > > > > > > throats of anyone participating and are actually forcing more > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > into failure despite handing out more and more certificates. > > > > > > > Bankers tell us they need to pay massive fees to get and retain > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > right people, as though what they do is very difficult and only a > > > > > > > tiny > > > > > > > few can do it - the rest of us will be doomed to failure unless > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > can pay their bonuses etc. Yet no scientific analysis can show > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > this bwanking stuff is actually difficult or even what it really > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > This is Chris' hiding the obvious in plain view. We are donkeys > > > > > > > if we > > > > > > > swallow this guff. Talk of single Gaussian copula maths (actually > > > > > > > just a variant on frequency distribution) covers the placing of > > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > in pokes and the growth of magic beans. > > > > > > > 'Power talk' is actually as backward and mythical as creationism, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > we are all schooled in it, even if we have only learned to > > > > > > > kow-tow or > > > > > > > sing from the hymn-sheet as politicians and never drift > > > > > > > off-message. > > > > > > > Science has failed to become as big a part of our lives as it > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > because it has always remained part of a political mess that we > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > scared to address. My guess is that we are taught to be scared. > > > > > > > In the end I don't see education as the answer - at least not > > > > > > > schools > > > > > > > and universities. We have to dare to do something different. I'd > > > > > > > start with giving everyone the right to work and a requirement to > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > towards peaceful and resilient societies. This requires us to > > > > > > > recognise we don't have to rip-off other people and the planet to > > > > > > > achieve peace and resilience. For all our science and education > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > haven't even been able to agree on this, surely a sign our > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > is a failure? > > > > > > > > On 10 Aug, 01:17, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I trust some teacher's, doctors and 'we the people'. But > > > > > > > > certainly > > > > > > > > not all of them. I'd like to be able to chose the ones I like > > > > > > > > and pay > > > > > > > > them what I think they're worth. Let's not forget 'we the > > > > > > > > people' > > > > > > > > gave us President George W Bush. For two terms. > > > > > > > > > As for trust I use it selectively. Trust but verify works for > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'd rather be able to decide how best to spend my tax > > > > > > > > dollars > > > > > > > > on my children's education. Perhaps I'm not too concerned about > > > > > > > > convicts sharing cells and showers. If it was up to me I'd > > > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > > sharing cots in 3 shifts and working 14 hours a day 6 days a > > > > > > > > week to > > > > > > > > earn privileges and cigarettes or conjugal visits. Perhaps I > > > > > > > > think MY > > > > > > > > excellent insurance will evaporate under universal government > > > > > > > > subsidized health care and I'll be forced into standing in line > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the huddled masses. > > > > > > > > > What could be more equal then giving every child a 9,500 dollar > > > > > > > > a year > > > > > > > > voucher to attend the private school of their choice? The > > > > > > > > biggest > > > > > > > > mistake government makes is thinking we're all a bunch of > > > > > > > > morons that > > > > > > > > need to constantly be taken care of. What? Public school > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > support teachers unions and don't like vouchers? I am shocked! > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know all about the former Enron adviser Paul Krugman. > > > > > > > > He used > > > > > > > > to be an economist before he became a cheerleader fro the > > > > > > > > democratic > > > > > > > > party in the pages of the NYT;s. He's actually calling for MORE > > > > > > > > stimulus money. I know which propagandists I plan to ignore the > > > > > > > > advice of. > > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM, > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not nuff!!!! Perhaps you do not trust teachers with > > > > > > > > > teaching…I do. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust doctors with practicing medicine … I > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust ‘we the people’ when it comes to > > > > > > > > > government…I > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do trust politicians when it comes to what > > > > > > > > > children learn > > > > > > > > > in school as well as to what books they have. Perhaps you > > > > > > > > > trust > > > > > > > > > religions when it comes to education and what children learn. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > > > you think that the main reason our prisons are overflowing > > > > > > > > > has nothing > > > > > > > > > to do with their privatization. Perhaps you think that a > > > > > > > > > single payer > > > > > > > > > universal health plan will be both more expensive and less > > > > > > > > > affective > > > > > > > > > than the privatized system we have now. I don’t know. > > > > > > > > > > There are some things that the government is good for and > > > > > > > > > some things > > > > > > > > > where other systems are better. The founders defined the > > > > > > > > > general areas > > > > > > > > > of responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to financing education, the inefficiency and > > > > > > > > > inequality > > > > > > > > > of the voucher system is not good for society on many fronts. > > > > > > > > > . . > > > > > > > > > including, but in no way limited to the lack of separation > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > church and state, a politicized system of education, a lack > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > homogeneous and egalitarian system altogether. > > > > > > > > > > Ask some of the teachers here about those ‘large offices for > > > > > > > > > administration’ in grades 12 and under…while some may not > > > > > > > > > like the > > > > > > > > > thinking of some of the people in said offices, few are large > > > > > > > > > nor not > > > > > > > > > needed. And, where would the unruly be sent? ….to the police > > > > > > > > > station? > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we could privatize the principle’s job and bring in > > > > > > > > > Blackwater! Seriously, while about 45% of students in, say > > > > > > > > > Detroit do > > > > > > > > > not graduate from high school today, things were different > > > > > > > > > prior to > > > > > > > > > the voucher system. I seem to remember decades ago that those > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > skipped school actually had people sent out to get them! > > > > > > > > > Vouchers have > > > > > > > > > little to do with what is learned. The main reason for a > > > > > > > > > poorer > > > > > > > > > education system today is the aftershock of the tax revolt in > > > > > > > > > California from 1978 > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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