There you go again, not trying to understand. ""the" seed" It has to be a thing of 'One'-ness. Like something we all have in common recognized with a Universal symbol. The many seeds you are talking about are not of Unity.
peace & Love > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:36:36 -0700 > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Although one may somehow plant seeds of unity until they are blue in > the face, IMO there is not enough water on the planet to make all the > seeds turn into plants. Even if some seeds started to grow, the > massive boots of greed, power, and religious diversity would soon > trample them back into the earth. Pessimistic? Unfortunately I feel it > is realistic. Not to say that one shouldn't try. > > On Aug 10, 6:01 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > If we planted the seed of Unity it wouldn't be that far away. > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:25:51 -0700 > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Amartya Sen and co are here working on draft of a Right To Food act > > > for the cabinet, to be introduced in the parliament. His interviews on > > > Justice, and all factors converging on it, had critically reasoned > > > elements. > > > > > Our education system must create and meet the desire to know, to > > > analyse and synthesise, and to critically examine, followed up with > > > employable skills. People must be helped to being without this stress > > > and insecurity drivenness that distorts the very personality, fills us > > > with the grab - all attitude, and takes the joy of being out of us > > > except in the exercise of power and pride of posssession. > > > > > However, restoration of the ( of, by and for the people ) government > > > to the people is far, far away. > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think it's rather unfair to think of unscientific America - there is > > > > little of the scientific world-view across the world. Orn always > > > > correctly points out that science is just part of something else, and > > > > scientists come with their own baggage of interests. > > > > When it comes to schooling there is little doubt we get a huge amount > > > > wrong as the system seems intent on accreditation of meritocracy and > > > > justifying acquisition > > > > of wealth rather than helping us form a virtuous society. The elite > > > > have long been schooling their own well away from the rest, and it has > > > > long seemed to me that we force much that is irrelevant down the > > > > throats of anyone participating and are actually forcing more people > > > > into failure despite handing out more and more certificates. > > > > Bankers tell us they need to pay massive fees to get and retain the > > > > right people, as though what they do is very difficult and only a tiny > > > > few can do it - the rest of us will be doomed to failure unless they > > > > can pay their bonuses etc. Yet no scientific analysis can show that > > > > this bwanking stuff is actually difficult or even what it really is. > > > > This is Chris' hiding the obvious in plain view. We are donkeys if we > > > > swallow this guff. Talk of single Gaussian copula maths (actually > > > > just a variant on frequency distribution) covers the placing of pigs > > > > in pokes and the growth of magic beans. > > > > 'Power talk' is actually as backward and mythical as creationism, and > > > > we are all schooled in it, even if we have only learned to kow-tow or > > > > sing from the hymn-sheet as politicians and never drift off-message. > > > > Science has failed to become as big a part of our lives as it should > > > > because it has always remained part of a political mess that we are > > > > scared to address. My guess is that we are taught to be scared. > > > > In the end I don't see education as the answer - at least not schools > > > > and universities. We have to dare to do something different. I'd > > > > start with giving everyone the right to work and a requirement to work > > > > towards peaceful and resilient societies. This requires us to > > > > recognise we don't have to rip-off other people and the planet to > > > > achieve peace and resilience. For all our science and education we > > > > haven't even been able to agree on this, surely a sign our education > > > > is a failure? > > > > > > On 10 Aug, 01:17, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I trust some teacher's, doctors and 'we the people'. But certainly > > > > > not all of them. I'd like to be able to chose the ones I like and pay > > > > > them what I think they're worth. Let's not forget 'we the people' > > > > > gave us President George W Bush. For two terms. > > > > > > > As for trust I use it selectively. Trust but verify works for me. > > > > > Perhaps I'd rather be able to decide how best to spend my tax dollars > > > > > on my children's education. Perhaps I'm not too concerned about > > > > > convicts sharing cells and showers. If it was up to me I'd have them > > > > > sharing cots in 3 shifts and working 14 hours a day 6 days a week to > > > > > earn privileges and cigarettes or conjugal visits. Perhaps I think MY > > > > > excellent insurance will evaporate under universal government > > > > > subsidized health care and I'll be forced into standing in line with > > > > > the huddled masses. > > > > > > > What could be more equal then giving every child a 9,500 dollar a year > > > > > voucher to attend the private school of their choice? The biggest > > > > > mistake government makes is thinking we're all a bunch of morons that > > > > > need to constantly be taken care of. What? Public school teachers > > > > > support teachers unions and don't like vouchers? I am shocked! > > > > > > > Yeah, I know all about the former Enron adviser Paul Krugman. He used > > > > > to be an economist before he became a cheerleader fro the democratic > > > > > party in the pages of the NYT;s. He's actually calling for MORE > > > > > stimulus money. I know which propagandists I plan to ignore the > > > > > advice of. > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM, > > > > > ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not nuff!!!! Perhaps you do not trust teachers with teaching…I do. > > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust doctors with practicing medicine … I do. > > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust ‘we the people’ when it comes to > > > > > > government…I > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do trust politicians when it comes to what children > > > > > > learn > > > > > > in school as well as to what books they have. Perhaps you trust > > > > > > religions when it comes to education and what children learn. > > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > you think that the main reason our prisons are overflowing has > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > to do with their privatization. Perhaps you think that a single > > > > > > payer > > > > > > universal health plan will be both more expensive and less affective > > > > > > than the privatized system we have now. I don’t know. > > > > > > > > There are some things that the government is good for and some > > > > > > things > > > > > > where other systems are better. The founders defined the general > > > > > > areas > > > > > > of responsibility. > > > > > > > > When it comes to financing education, the inefficiency and > > > > > > inequality > > > > > > of the voucher system is not good for society on many fronts. . . > > > > > > including, but in no way limited to the lack of separation between > > > > > > church and state, a politicized system of education, a lack of a > > > > > > homogeneous and egalitarian system altogether. > > > > > > > > Ask some of the teachers here about those ‘large offices for > > > > > > administration’ in grades 12 and under…while some may not like the > > > > > > thinking of some of the people in said offices, few are large nor > > > > > > not > > > > > > needed. And, where would the unruly be sent? ….to the police > > > > > > station? > > > > > > Perhaps we could privatize the principle’s job and bring in > > > > > > Blackwater! Seriously, while about 45% of students in, say Detroit > > > > > > do > > > > > > not graduate from high school today, things were different prior to > > > > > > the voucher system. I seem to remember decades ago that those who > > > > > > skipped school actually had people sent out to get them! Vouchers > > > > > > have > > > > > > little to do with what is learned. The main reason for a poorer > > > > > > education system today is the aftershock of the tax revolt in > > > > > > California from 1978 having to do with proposition 13. > > > > > >http://www.soapblox.com/index.php?p=198 > > > > > > The result over the last 30 years is obvious. Yes, a few of the > > > > > > wealthy now spend less on taxes and more of the poor spend more…the > > > > > > result is less money for the public good. The graduated income tax > > > > > > was > > > > > > working quite well until it was broken apart by avarice. It is no > > > > > > accident that this is a ‘sin’ in many religions. > > > > > > > > When it comes to teacher and other unions, the propaganda found in > > > > > > the > > > > > > media is legion. Having a few teachers in the family, I wish the > > > > > > unions were even more powerful…teaching and the supporting systems > > > > > > have changed drastically due to politics over the last 30 years and > > > > > > for the worse in general. This had precious little to do with the > > > > > > teachers themselves. They were not nearly as powerful as congress > > > > > > nor > > > > > > the corporate activists. > > > > > > > > The days for slogans is long over if we wish to rebuild what has > > > > > > been > > > > > > destroyed over the last handful of decades. In other words, ignore > > > > > > corporate news outlets. > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2:16 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Now that news = infotainment and consumerism; and politics = vested > > > > > > > >> > interests of those who pay lobbiests the most, all that is > > > > > >> > needed is > > > > > >> > to finish the privatization of the public education along with > > > > > >> > raising > > > > > >> > the cost to levels only the wealthy can afford. > > > > > > > >> ? -privatization would increase competition and costs would > > > > > >> probably > > > > > >> decrease. Perhaps classes would no longer need to be carried out > > > > > >> in > > > > > >> palaces with huge offices for administrators but the quality of > > > > > >> education would increase for those actually interested in learning. > > > > > >> Check the success of vouchers in the DC area over the last several > > > > > >> years Orn. It might be enlightening. No lobby is more powerful or > > > > > >> more well taken care of then the Teachers Unions. nuff said. > > > > > > > >> dj > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:41 PM, > > > > > >> ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Now that news = infotainment and consumerism; and politics = > > > > > >> > vested > > > > > >> > interests of those who pay lobbiests the most, all that is > > > > > >> > needed is > > > > > >> > to finish the privatization of the public education along with > > > > > >> > raising > > > > > >> > the cost to levels only the > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > _________________________________________________________________ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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