Tinker do yo ever say anything other than you are in gagaa land? Allan On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> You're way behind Slip ole buddy. > I'm onto the Feeling now, haven't used the "thing" since I turned you on to > the web site. > > If you need tutoring off forum, I'll be happy to help you out :-) > > peace & Love > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:14:10 -0700 > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Maybe if you stop using the word "thing" someone might be able to > > visualize. > > > > The only visualization I get from the word "thing" is............. > > > > > http://images.google.com/images?oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=volkswagen+thing&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=A9OASvndCZHIMMPc3Z4L&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1 > > > > You see Tinker, people should get more than just simple words like "my > > idea" and the "thing" that you have been talking about for months. > > > > Perhaps you just don't understand and it is beyond your grasp. If you > > could just let me know what it is you don't understand. > > > > > > On Aug 10, 8:02 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you sir, for an honest reply. > > > > > > I don't have a dream, I do see a possibility. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:34:33 -0700 > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > I don't have to try and misunderstand, it comes naturally. ;-] > > > > > > > All I'm saying is that 'One'-ness is a dream you may have, that I > find > > > > impossible to even begin to contemplate. No symbol, thought, > religion, > > > > God, drug or anything else will create Unity in my opinion. > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:08 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There you go again, not trying to understand. > > > > > > > > ""the" seed" It has to be a thing of 'One'-ness. > > > > > Like something we all have in common recognized with a Universal > symbol. > > > > > The many seeds you are talking about are not of Unity. > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:36:36 -0700 > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > Although one may somehow plant seeds of unity until they are blue > in > > > > > > the face, IMO there is not enough water on the planet to make all > the > > > > > > seeds turn into plants. Even if some seeds started to grow, the > > > > > > massive boots of greed, power, and religious diversity would soon > > > > > > trample them back into the earth. Pessimistic? Unfortunately I > feel it > > > > > > is realistic. Not to say that one shouldn't try. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 6:01 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > If we planted the seed of Unity it wouldn't be that far away. > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:25:51 -0700 > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: unscientific America? > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > Amartya Sen and co are here working on draft of a Right To > Food act > > > > > > > > for the cabinet, to be introduced in the parliament. His > interviews on > > > > > > > > Justice, and all factors converging on it, had critically > reasoned > > > > > > > > elements. > > > > > > > > > > > Our education system must create and meet the desire to know, > to > > > > > > > > analyse and synthesise, and to critically examine, followed > up with > > > > > > > > employable skills. People must be helped to being without > this stress > > > > > > > > and insecurity drivenness that distorts the very personality, > fills us > > > > > > > > with the grab - all attitude, and takes the joy of being out > of us > > > > > > > > except in the exercise of power and pride of posssession. > > > > > > > > > > > However, restoration of the ( of, by and for the people ) > government > > > > > > > > to the people is far, far away. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think it's rather unfair to think of unscientific America > - there is > > > > > > > > > little of the scientific world-view across the world. Orn > always > > > > > > > > > correctly points out that science is just part of something > else, and > > > > > > > > > scientists come with their own baggage of interests. > > > > > > > > > When it comes to schooling there is little doubt we get a > huge amount > > > > > > > > > wrong as the system seems intent on accreditation of > meritocracy and > > > > > > > > > justifying acquisition > > > > > > > > > of wealth rather than helping us form a virtuous society. > The elite > > > > > > > > > have long been schooling their own well away from the rest, > and it has > > > > > > > > > long seemed to me that we force much that is irrelevant > down the > > > > > > > > > throats of anyone participating and are actually forcing > more people > > > > > > > > > into failure despite handing out more and more > certificates. > > > > > > > > > Bankers tell us they need to pay massive fees to get and > retain the > > > > > > > > > right people, as though what they do is very difficult and > only a tiny > > > > > > > > > few can do it - the rest of us will be doomed to failure > unless they > > > > > > > > > can pay their bonuses etc. Yet no scientific analysis can > show that > > > > > > > > > this bwanking stuff is actually difficult or even what it > really is. > > > > > > > > > This is Chris' hiding the obvious in plain view. We are > donkeys if we > > > > > > > > > swallow this guff. Talk of single Gaussian copula maths > (actually > > > > > > > > > just a variant on frequency distribution) covers the > placing of pigs > > > > > > > > > in pokes and the growth of magic beans. > > > > > > > > > 'Power talk' is actually as backward and mythical as > creationism, and > > > > > > > > > we are all schooled in it, even if we have only learned to > kow-tow or > > > > > > > > > sing from the hymn-sheet as politicians and never drift > off-message. > > > > > > > > > Science has failed to become as big a part of our lives as > it should > > > > > > > > > because it has always remained part of a political mess > that we are > > > > > > > > > scared to address. My guess is that we are taught to be > scared. > > > > > > > > > In the end I don't see education as the answer - at least > not schools > > > > > > > > > and universities. We have to dare to do something > different. I'd > > > > > > > > > start with giving everyone the right to work and a > requirement to work > > > > > > > > > towards peaceful and resilient societies. This requires us > to > > > > > > > > > recognise we don't have to rip-off other people and the > planet to > > > > > > > > > achieve peace and resilience. For all our science and > education we > > > > > > > > > haven't even been able to agree on this, surely a sign our > education > > > > > > > > > is a failure? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Aug, 01:17, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust some teacher's, doctors and 'we the people'. But > certainly > > > > > > > > > > not all of them. I'd like to be able to chose the ones I > like and pay > > > > > > > > > > them what I think they're worth. Let's not forget 'we > the people' > > > > > > > > > > gave us President George W Bush. For two terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for trust I use it selectively. Trust but verify > works for me. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'd rather be able to decide how best to spend my > tax dollars > > > > > > > > > > on my children's education. Perhaps I'm not too > concerned about > > > > > > > > > > convicts sharing cells and showers. If it was up to me > I'd have them > > > > > > > > > > sharing cots in 3 shifts and working 14 hours a day 6 > days a week to > > > > > > > > > > earn privileges and cigarettes or conjugal visits. > Perhaps I think MY > > > > > > > > > > excellent insurance will evaporate under universal > government > > > > > > > > > > subsidized health care and I'll be forced into standing > in line with > > > > > > > > > > the huddled masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be more equal then giving every child a 9,500 > dollar a year > > > > > > > > > > voucher to attend the private school of their choice? > The biggest > > > > > > > > > > mistake government makes is thinking we're all a bunch of > morons that > > > > > > > > > > need to constantly be taken care of. What? Public > school teachers > > > > > > > > > > support teachers unions and don't like vouchers? I am > shocked! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know all about the former Enron adviser Paul > Krugman. He used > > > > > > > > > > to be an economist before he became a cheerleader fro the > democratic > > > > > > > > > > party in the pages of the NYT;s. He's actually calling > for MORE > > > > > > > > > > stimulus money. I know which propagandists I plan to > ignore the > > > > > > > > > > advice of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM, ornamentalmind< > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not nuff!!!! Perhaps you do not trust teachers with > teaching…I do. > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust doctors with practicing > medicine … I do. > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not trust ‘we the people’ when it comes > to government…I > > > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do trust politicians when it comes to what > children learn > > > > > > > > > > > in school as well as to what books they have. Perhaps > you trust > > > > > > > > > > > religions when it comes to education and what children > learn. Perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > you think that the main reason our prisons are > overflowing has nothing > > > > > > > > > > > to do with their privatization. Perhaps you think that > a single payer > > > > > > > > > > > universal health plan will be both more expensive and > less affective > > > > > > > > > > > than the privatized system we have now. I don’t know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some things that the government is good for > and some things > > > > > > > > > > > where other systems are better. The founders defined > the general areas > > > > > > > > > > > of responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to financing education, the inefficiency > and inequality > > > > > > > > > > > of the voucher system is not good for society on many > fronts. . . > > > > > > > > > > > including, but in no way limited to the lack of > separation between > > > > > > > > > > > church and state, a politicized system of education, a > lack of a > > > > > > > > > > > homogeneous and egalitarian system altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask some of the teachers here about those ‘large > offices for > > > > > > > > > > > administration’ in grades 12 and under…while some may > not like the > > > > > > > > > > > thinking of some of the people in said offices, few are > large nor not > > > > > > > > > > > needed. And, where would the unruly be sent? ….to the > police station? > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we could privatize the principle’s job and > bring in > > > > > > > > > > > Blackwater! Seriously, while about 45% of students in, > say Detroit do > > > > > > > > > > > not graduate from high school today, things were > different prior to > > > > > > > > > > > the voucher system. I seem to remember decades ago that > those who > > > > > > > > > > > skipped school actually had people sent out to get > them! Vouchers have > > > > > > > > > > > little to do with what is learned. The main reason for > a poorer > > > > > > > > > > > education system today is the aftershock of the tax > revolt in > > > > > > > > > > > California from 1978 > > > > > > ... > > > > > > read more » > > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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