Edward that goes to prove people will read what they want to in what they read. I reread Isaiah just to recall it.. It has not changed since i first read it,, just a book of prophcy with very little value to me spiritually which leaves me in a difficult problem. I see no value to it in living a daily spiritual life. Day to day living is what a (spiritual) life is all about. Now on the other hand prophecy is great for those who want to appear to be spiritually wise as they can take bits and pieces and twist it to mold say anything they want to say and read into it anything they want to read.
With no poisonous snakes on Malta we know that Saul of Tarsus was never bitten by a poison snake therefore he could never have been miraculously healed, making the story a lie.. because it is a lie it leaves all other stories told about him suspect. As for Saul laying the foundation another would build on that is true,, but that does not make the foundation one of truth ,, remember the foundation he laid is built on a lie simple as it may be.. leaving the whole structure suspect. Son's of God is a whole different question,, but all men and women even the bad ones are son's of YHVH including the ones that are considered evil or bad depending how you view it. I have my own point of view on that subject too. Allan On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:51 AM, pathfinder <[email protected]>wrote: > So then the vision of the barbarian was true, Saul was of the same > nature as the snake; ( Prophecy: Just has Moses raised the serpent in > the wilderness, so shall the son of man be raised in the last days. > But the healing was for those who had been bitten by sepents). Perhaps > the miracle asspect was God making him the blind servant. Remember > Paul said that he laid the foundation, and another would build > thereon. Paul laid the foundation that Jesus was a savior for the > world, while Jesus said that he came to bring the sword. Paul said > that he was blinded along his path, and received his sight after he > agreed to do what Jesus had told him to do in that meeeting. Now > history shows that the foundation that Paul laid was the one that > Jesus said would be the Son's ( For as many that do the will of YHVH > are the Son's of YHVH ), whose inheritance was taken after they had > killed him. And ofcourse, Isaiah talked about the blind servant, > tampering with the laws of God. > I am working on the > writing. > Edward > On Nov 23, 11:49 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Edward Saul's the validity of Saul of Taurus teachings are predicated by > the > > miracle healing of Saul by God, making him a teacher chosen by God, the > > problem the lies simply in the fact there are no poisonous snakes on > Malta > > which really creates a problem with the validity of Saul's teachings > > especially when you have lie in the very foundation > > Have fun figuring that one out.. how do you erase the deciet? > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:58 PM, pathfinder <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > What lead you to think that I can type? > > > Lazzy? > > > Paul (Saul; Centurian)>...Imagine living in an environment where > > > certain citizens are respected as gods, in a very real sense. However, > > > The setting is the Age of the Sun god, Ra., Egyptian. ( Solar Cult)... > > > The barbarrians had not evolved from the cult before it, but they had > > > the basic principles. The principles had not changed, only the way > > > they were applied. This means that there were people that could see. > > > Wherefore, the story tells the way the vision was revealed and what > > > was revealed about Paul. The serpent had varied interpretations from > > > both mythologies: from representing wisdom, to the initator, the > > > dragon, death, so on. If one make a biological examination, then take > > > the results to the bigger picture of the prophecies, they will get > > > faster results in that understanding, I think. I love the Hebrew > > > language; the letters of the alphabet make statements before you can > > > even put them together to make a word! I see that the seer was looking > > > at Paul being the venom that would spread over the nations. The seer > > > saw it, but it's not clear whether he understood it The remark about > > > Paul being god could be related to the fact that he was centurian.... > > > Wish I knew the language! > > > On Nov 23, 11:18 am, pathfinder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm looking at it. > > > > > > On Nov 22, 11:35 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You are funny Edward, I wonder if you know what is in your own > heart > > > much > > > > > less what is in th heart of others. As for standards there are > many > > > > > standards, each person is their own judge. from your writings you > claim > > > to > > > > > have the standards of christian dogma and doctrine which you want > to > > > shove > > > > > off on everyone else. > > > > > Edward Edward Edward if you are dealing with anyone you need to > have > > > your > > > > > reservations tailored by caution and accuracy. You will find we > tend > > > not to > > > > > attack people around here but rather ideas and concepts: and all > ideas > > > and > > > > > concepts are free game if you are hung up on one be warned your > > > feelings > > > > > will be hurt simple because you take things to personally. > > > > > > > assessment? that one is easy read your very first document that you > > > > > presented to this group. > > > > > Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc > > > > > I am to lazy to retype it. this is very typical of funnymentalist > > > thinking. > > > > > or what every you want to call them, this is according to you your > > > great > > > > > document of enlightenment. and according to them they are all on > the > > > narrow > > > > > path and very few are on the path.. You do not know how many times > I > > > have > > > > > been told that. What you see as narrow I see as broad and wide with > > > many > > > > > people on the path. Now as for the actual path you are on I really > > > don't > > > > > know and which is more I am really do not know,, and I do not know > you > > > well > > > > > enough to make a judgment.. > > > > > > > When are you going to give your response to the poisonous snake > biting > > > Saul > > > > > of Taurus on Malta? > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:48 AM, pathfinder < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > The sellection of the children as an example was for what would > seem, > > > > > > obvious reason. By age 1 the nature seem fully functional and > seem to > > > > > > gain it's greatest outside influence around age 3. It had nothing > to > > > > > > do with anyone's physical abilities or > > > > > > disabilities. > > > > > > > One thing that consistantly prevails in most of your messages > to > > > > > > me , is that you come with two different standards; i.e., one for > you > > > > > > and one for me. By those for you, you are allowed to give your > > > opinion > > > > > > freely of me and my views. The one issued for me requires that my > > > > > > opinion of you must be taylored by caution and > > > > > > accurracy > > > > > > >While I base my opinion of you on the contents that I see > emitted > > > > > > from the seat of your heart. In your statement "....your > generalities > > > > > > that you have arrived at from your teachings of christianity", > show > > > me > > > > > > the ground for such an > > > > > > assessment. > > > > > > >What I prefer in socialization is that each individual maintain > the > > > > > > self-governed standards acceptable to each. One standard should > be > > > > > > that if I do it to you, you are justified in doing it to me. > >I > > > > > > see the road that I'm on to be narrow and few travelers theron, > for > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 12:16 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Edward one of the absolutes of the world is if you states if > > > something is > > > > > > an > > > > > > > absolute you will be absolutely wrong. Don't put me in the > > > catagory that > > > > > > > you see yourself in. One thing is you do not know me or who I > am > > > until > > > > > > you > > > > > > > do leave me out of your generalities that you have arrived at > from > > > the > > > > > > > teachings of christianity. > > > > > > > > > As far as children go, I have been fixed and have no intention > of > > > > > > bringing > > > > > > > children into this world, and for good reasons, unlike you I > have > > > several > > > > > > > great grand children. Your ideas are not original but concepts > that > > > have > > > > > > > been passed on for many generation. > > > > > > > > > You have a long way to grow in spirituality a long way that is > not > > > easy. > > > > > > > According to your beliefs the road to predation is wide and > many > > > chose > > > > > > to > > > > > > > follow it, from what I have read of your writing I would guess > you > > > are > > > > > > > somewhere on that wide road. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:25 PM, pathfinder < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am saying that the heart of man aka your heart, my heart, > and > > > the > > > > > > > > hearts of all are set towards survival, gratification, > pleasure, > > > > > > > > curiousity, thrill, etc. We must learn to bring the heart > into > > > > > > > > conformity. Out of an instinct to survive, gratify, enjoy or > > > whatever > > > > > > > > the caes may be, I, you, man, woman, we do what we think is > best > > > for > > > > > > > > ourselves if we do not apply the laws or their principles. We > > > must > > > > > > > > learn to do what is wanting without violating those Laws. > > > > > > > > Collectively, we assume or believe that no one knows our > > > thoughts, > > > > > > > > motives, actions, so we are less likely to develope the > > > restraints > > > > > > > > upon ourselves necessary to truely be respectable towards the > > > rights, > > > > > > > > needs, concerns, etc., of our neighbor, our > fellow-human-being. > > > As one > > > > > > > > experiment along these lines, recording the results, what > they'll > > > find > > > > > > > > they have would be their experience. Watch the children, > Allan. > > > At > > > > > > > > least two children, 1-3 years of age. One toy. Stay close and > be > > > ready > > > > > > > > to teach. But you will see the heart of man there. So, unless > you > > > came > > > > > > > > into this world by some other means, your's would be included > > > amongst > > > > > > > > the Heart of Man. > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 21, 9:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Interesting Edward, so you are saying your heart aka the > heart > > > of man > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > fully set upon doing evil ( contrary to the mystic laws)." > > > Please > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me why you are "fully set upon doing evil"? I hope you do > not > > > give a > > > > > > > > bunch > > > > > > > > > of bible quotes but rather in your own words. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 5:29 AM, pathfinder < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I see sin as a concept that has been abused, misused, but > > > never > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > understood. I see it as a violation of any of those > > > controlling > > > > > > > > > > factors which we commonly refer to as 'laws'. Some of > those > > > we > > > > > > adapt > > > > > > > > > > to early; like those of gravity, force, the elements, > etc., > > > because > > > > > > > > > > the results of the violations are immediate. Still, on a > > > higher > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > the results are more subtle, and takes more time for the > > > cosmos to > > > > > > > > > > render the prefect vibrations. Wherefore, we continue > until > > > we get > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > over-load, a lot of the times. Thus, the bible verse, > > > 'Because the > > > > > > > > > > judgement of the Lord is not executed speedily, the heart > of > > > man is > > > > > > > > > > fully set upon doing evil ( contrary to the mystic > laws)." So > > > what > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > would finish with would be relationship and not religion. > A > > > > > > hamonious > > > > > > > > > > relationship with the Laws natural to the earth/heaven > > > factors. > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > the nations could use the soldiers on the farms, the > polices > > > > > > building > > > > > > > > > > structures, the politians, well,they still might need > > > something > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > they don't have to think about. We can defy some of these > > > laws to a > > > > > > > > > > certain extent, but we can't defeat any of them. Seeming > to > > > ignore > > > > > > > > > > them is not a form of defeat. If one ever learn to live > in > > > that > > > > > > > > > > hormony he don't want any of those laws defeated no way. > The > > > > > > solution, > > > > > > > > > > then becomes, too easy. With the magnitude of some of the > > > problems > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this world, seems like nothing short of a major > catastrophy > > > on a > > > > > > > > > > global scale could even come close to having > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
