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On Nov 22, 11:35 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > You are funny Edward, I wonder if you know what is in your own heart much > less what is in th heart of others. As for standards there are many > standards, each person is their own judge. from your writings you claim to > have the standards of christian dogma and doctrine which you want to shove > off on everyone else. > Edward Edward Edward if you are dealing with anyone you need to have your > reservations tailored by caution and accuracy. You will find we tend not to > attack people around here but rather ideas and concepts: and all ideas and > concepts are free game if you are hung up on one be warned your feelings > will be hurt simple because you take things to personally. > > assessment? that one is easy read your very first document that you > presented to this group. > Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc > I am to lazy to retype it. this is very typical of funnymentalist thinking. > or what every you want to call them, this is according to you your great > document of enlightenment. and according to them they are all on the narrow > path and very few are on the path.. You do not know how many times I have > been told that. What you see as narrow I see as broad and wide with many > people on the path. Now as for the actual path you are on I really don't > know and which is more I am really do not know,, and I do not know you well > enough to make a judgment.. > > When are you going to give your response to the poisonous snake biting Saul > of Taurus on Malta? > > Allan > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:48 AM, pathfinder <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > The sellection of the children as an example was for what would seem, > > obvious reason. By age 1 the nature seem fully functional and seem to > > gain it's greatest outside influence around age 3. It had nothing to > > do with anyone's physical abilities or > > disabilities. > > > One thing that consistantly prevails in most of your messages to > > me , is that you come with two different standards; i.e., one for you > > and one for me. By those for you, you are allowed to give your opinion > > freely of me and my views. The one issued for me requires that my > > opinion of you must be taylored by caution and > > accurracy > > >While I base my opinion of you on the contents that I see emitted > > from the seat of your heart. In your statement "....your generalities > > that you have arrived at from your teachings of christianity", show me > > the ground for such an > > assessment. > > >What I prefer in socialization is that each individual maintain the > > self-governed standards acceptable to each. One standard should be > > that if I do it to you, you are justified in doing it to me. >I > > see the road that I'm on to be narrow and few travelers theron, for > > now. > > > On Nov 22, 12:16 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Edward one of the absolutes of the world is if you states if something is > > an > > > absolute you will be absolutely wrong. Don't put me in the catagory that > > > you see yourself in. One thing is you do not know me or who I am until > > you > > > do leave me out of your generalities that you have arrived at from the > > > teachings of christianity. > > > > As far as children go, I have been fixed and have no intention of > > bringing > > > children into this world, and for good reasons, unlike you I have several > > > great grand children. Your ideas are not original but concepts that have > > > been passed on for many generation. > > > > You have a long way to grow in spirituality a long way that is not easy. > > > According to your beliefs the road to predation is wide and many chose > > to > > > follow it, from what I have read of your writing I would guess you are > > > somewhere on that wide road. > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:25 PM, pathfinder <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > I am saying that the heart of man aka your heart, my heart, and the > > > > hearts of all are set towards survival, gratification, pleasure, > > > > curiousity, thrill, etc. We must learn to bring the heart into > > > > conformity. Out of an instinct to survive, gratify, enjoy or whatever > > > > the caes may be, I, you, man, woman, we do what we think is best for > > > > ourselves if we do not apply the laws or their principles. We must > > > > learn to do what is wanting without violating those Laws. > > > > Collectively, we assume or believe that no one knows our thoughts, > > > > motives, actions, so we are less likely to develope the restraints > > > > upon ourselves necessary to truely be respectable towards the rights, > > > > needs, concerns, etc., of our neighbor, our fellow-human-being. As one > > > > experiment along these lines, recording the results, what they'll find > > > > they have would be their experience. Watch the children, Allan. At > > > > least two children, 1-3 years of age. One toy. Stay close and be ready > > > > to teach. But you will see the heart of man there. So, unless you came > > > > into this world by some other means, your's would be included amongst > > > > the Heart of Man. > > > > > On Nov 21, 9:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Interesting Edward, so you are saying your heart aka the heart of man > > is > > > > > fully set upon doing evil ( contrary to the mystic laws)." Please > > explain > > > > to > > > > > me why you are "fully set upon doing evil"? I hope you do not give a > > > > bunch > > > > > of bible quotes but rather in your own words. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 5:29 AM, pathfinder < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > I see sin as a concept that has been abused, misused, but never > > really > > > > > > understood. I see it as a violation of any of those controlling > > > > > > factors which we commonly refer to as 'laws'. Some of those we > > adapt > > > > > > to early; like those of gravity, force, the elements, etc., because > > > > > > the results of the violations are immediate. Still, on a higher > > level > > > > > > the results are more subtle, and takes more time for the cosmos to > > > > > > render the prefect vibrations. Wherefore, we continue until we get > > the > > > > > > over-load, a lot of the times. Thus, the bible verse, 'Because the > > > > > > judgement of the Lord is not executed speedily, the heart of man is > > > > > > fully set upon doing evil ( contrary to the mystic laws)." So what > > we > > > > > > would finish with would be relationship and not religion. A > > hamonious > > > > > > relationship with the Laws natural to the earth/heaven factors. > > Then > > > > > > the nations could use the soldiers on the farms, the polices > > building > > > > > > structures, the politians, well,they still might need something > > that > > > > > > they don't have to think about. We can defy some of these laws to a > > > > > > certain extent, but we can't defeat any of them. Seeming to ignore > > > > > > them is not a form of defeat. If one ever learn to live in that > > > > > > hormony he don't want any of those laws defeated no way. The > > solution, > > > > > > then becomes, too easy. With the magnitude of some of the problems > > in > > > > > > this world, seems like nothing short of a major catastrophy on a > > > > > > global scale could even come close to having some effect. May be > > true, > > > > > > but, that catastrophy need be applied only to the old systems of > > > > > > thoughts, produceing behavior. > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 6:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Gabbers, while I may have discussed about yes/no issues, the > > notion > > > > of > > > > > > > sin is not one of them. I do not accept the notion of sin. > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 4:06 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, you do, orn. You argue along the same yes/no line. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Accepting the notion of sin/salvation seems to be necessary > > for > > > > > > > > > current day biblical dogma to make sense. Am I missing > > something > > > > > > > > > there? Oh, and I don't accept said notion. > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 11:54 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > every generation has its teachers and false teachers, > > prophets > > > > and > > > > > > false > > > > > > > > > > prophets. > > > > > > > > > > personally I am not into bible thumpers. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:24 PM, pathfinder < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like in the days of Noah, shall the days be when the > > Son > > > > of > > > > > > Man > > > > > > > > > > > is revealed. Noah's message was strange and > > inconceivable. > > > > Jesus > > > > > > spoke > > > > > > > > > > > of this in Luke 17:26> "And as it was in the days of > > No'e, so > > > > > > shall it > > > > > > > > > > > be also in the days of the Son of man." The warning is > > also > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > numbers: 8 souls saved. > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 29:10> "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the > > > > spirit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and > > your > > > > > > rulers, > > > > > > > > > > > the seers hath he covered. > (11)- And the visioin of all > > has > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, > > which > > > > men > > > > > > > > > > > deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray > > > > thee: > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > > saith, I cannot: for it is sealed:> (12)- And the book is > > > > > > delivered to > > > > > > > > > > > him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: > > and > > > > he > > > > > > saith, > > > > > > > > > > > I am not learned.> (13)- Wherefore the Lord said, > > Forasmuch > > > > as > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > people draw near me with their mouth, and their lips do > > > > honour > > > > > > me, but > > > > > > > > > > > have removed their heart far from me, and their fear > > toward > > > > me is > > > > > > > > > > > taught > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
