By salvation of the mind I mean achievement of that state of purity of mind which makes a person to be known as a self-realized soul. That is the state where a person is nearest to the state of non-duality while still being in duality.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:22 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > While still in this body you can attain the salvation of the mind by > being good , cool , unattached to worldly possessions , and an > understanding of reality. After death you can have the salvation of > the Spirit and attain to supreme bliss. > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Yet earlier you claimed that such liberation cannot come whilst still >> alive. How can one understand, or attain salvation through >> understanding when the power to understand is no more? >> >> I put instead this way. >> >> We are not seperate from God, this is impossible as God is all, god is >> pervasive throughout the creation, there exists not one iota of matter >> nor of spirit that is not of God. In a very real way God created the >> creation out of the spirt of God. That is before there existed any >> matter, there was only God in spirit. God uttered Om(if that is your >> beliife) or said 'let there be light'(if that is your belife) or in >> some manner created out of the spirt (or intelegance) of God. >> Literaly then the whole of creation can be said to be the 'body' of >> God. >> >> The trick then is remebering, or realising this fundemantal truth, >> there is no duality, we are not seperate from God. The bliss you talk >> of is realisation of this, and so God is attained, or more properly, >> the truth(sat) is remembered. As we may say Sat Sri Akaal! God is >> the objective truth. >> >> >> >> On Jan 25, 3:31 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination >>> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of >>> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and >>> unbreakable bliss. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles >>> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound >>> > confused >>> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just what >>> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to >>> > realize >>> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an >>> > infinite >>> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler person >>> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take a >>> > life >>> > time to perfect. >>> > Allan >>> >>> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , >>> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being >>> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into >>> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. >>> >>> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have >>> >> > nothing >>> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means little >>> >> > and I >>> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without >>> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want it to >>> >> > be >>> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like work >>> >> > simply because I enjoy working >>> >>> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you >>> >> > understand >>> >> > what they are actually saying? >>> >>> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies to >>> >> > every >>> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body and >>> >> > soul is >>> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call >>> >> > him.) >>> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is >>> >> > different. By >>> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding to God >>> >> > the >>> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and subtle.If >>> >> > you >>> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. >>> >>> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death and >>> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? >>> >> > Allan >>> >>> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a >>> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool and >>> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly >>> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts and >>> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts without >>> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put forth >>> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the >>> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly >>> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it >>> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right >>> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. >>> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the >>> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think that >>> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to learn. >>> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering dust >>> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and accept >>> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. >>> >>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan >>> >> >> > before >>> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on the >>> >> >> > basis >>> >> >> > of >>> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things such >>> >> >> > that >>> >> >> > we >>> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual >>> >> >> > division >>> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of an >>> >> >> > eternal >>> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest height >>> >> >> > that >>> >> >> > any >>> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The >>> >> >> > truth, >>> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as the >>> >> >> > only >>> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a >>> >> >> > half-truth, >>> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a mere >>> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is just one >>> >> >> > step of >>> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all of >>> >> >> > that >>> >> >> > may >>> >> >> > fall within another mastery). >>> >>> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, wherever >>> >> >> > it >>> >> >> > may >>> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions of >>> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd flip >>> >> >> > upside >>> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are and >>> >> >> > what >>> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or >>> >> >> > what >>> >> >> > we >>> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose >>> >> >> > even >>> >> >> > if >>> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many arts >>> >> >> > so >>> >> >> > long >>> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- tools >>> >> >> > handed >>> >> >> > down for us to build on. >>> >>> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could you >>> >> >> > offer >>> >> >> > more >>> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? >>> >>> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: >>> >>> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn >>> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people set >>> >> >> > the >>> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because they >>> >> >> > have >>> >> >> > set >>> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a self >>> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . >>> >> >> > Allan >>> >>> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization while >>> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , that >>> >> >> >> is >>> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and adverse >>> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of detachment >>> >> >> >> while >>> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. >>> >>> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] >>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to >>> >> >> >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but possible. >>> >>> >> >> >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; some >>> >> >> >> >> are >>> >> >> >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others >>> >> >> >> >> despicable; >>> >> >> >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are made >>> >> >> >> >> from >>> >> >> >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go and >>> >> >> >> >> find >>> >> >> >> >> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be understood but >>> >> >> >> >> never >>> >> >> >> >> experienced while in this body. >>> >>> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> > ( >>> >> >> > ) >>> >> >> > I_D Allan >>> >>> >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>> >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >>> >>> >> > -- >>> >> > ( >>> >> > ) >>> >> > I_D Allan >>> >>> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >>> >>> > -- >>> > ( >>> > ) >>> > I_D Allan >>> >>> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >
