Thanks Allan, I'm not sure how courageous except that I sort of hung my short-story out there. Don't downplay childhood, even the smallest things shape kids like clay. Ours wasn't that different from the sounds of it, basically being dragged around wherever the parents are, and I was a quiet kid mostly. I hope Jody has recovered, that reminds me of when my grandmother told me that biting my tongue meant I was going to say something bad and the conscience stopped me. It seemed rediculous and was actually wrong when she said it but sure enough the idea went viral and I found myself biting my tongue three times before I made a conscious choice to undo the conditioning. Which is good because I cuss like a sailor at times, a close friend jokingly calls it Tourette's. Now I wake up in the middle of the night occasionally to a hard crunch on my tongue, swear sometimes it sounds like a pickle crunch. Ouch.
Not quite conscious right now, for paraphrasing the conclusion of the short story: I agree with everyone, and from there will proceed to piss everyone off. :D On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:56 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow.. that is true courage Ash, > when one changes their ways , that is true repentance especially in the > christian sense, You are my friend and a very very special friend. What I > know of beyond what you have written you have changed. It will take me a > little bit to get the courage to write of my past I will take the time > though most of it is boring as I was mostly stuck on a farm commuting with > my father to school. I never really got into trouble. I was not repentant > when I thew a stone and busted Jody Mays in the head with a stone from a > half a block away,, ( I have never really been able to throw anything > accurately since I always tend to hold on to what ever am throwing. > I will send you a personal message > Allan > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> "Ash could you explain to me how can something does not exist attain >> eternal bliss?" -Allan >> >> You know I have to! ;-) When I was a young boy I had to learn how to >> entertain myself sustainably, which meant combining my early rudimentary >> understanding of things in the world with a limited collection of cars, army >> guys, and some other things with my environment. So around the age of three >> or four I recall making cities and construction sites with various roles >> played out by the toys in dirt or gravel with sticks and string for crafting >> rigs and structures. It was also around that age I learned to tune a TV to >> watch the late night Cheers and M.A.S.H. episodes, the kid stuff was mostly >> earlier and weekends. The relationships I developed in fantasy and with my >> shows were an outlet, though I always had a strong capacity to fixate on >> something until it nearly encompassed my whole world, just the simplest >> things I could study in peace endlessly. My older sisters were taken away >> from us at that time so it was just my little sister, mom and I. Then a fire >> that I caused erased all that remained of that time, I guess that's why you >> shouldn't leave toddlers home alone for extended periods of time.. It was >> only just now thinking about it, how frantically I was hushed while trying >> to apologize and shaking in front of the firemen and why my mother cried >> with real pain when the grief from that time caused me to finally apologize >> and claim guilt for destroying our lives five years later. From before that >> time my mom and her six kids had rough times in the south, then there was my >> two sisters who cared for me and they were constantly in trouble with the >> law and fighting but they looked after me and cared. After the fire there >> was repeated loss, friends, schools, belongings, going from eking it out to >> beggar over and again. What do you choose if you can only pick what you can >> grab in a bag on the way out.. Anyways, I developed very sentimental >> attachments to the things time was spent on like tinkering with electronics >> parts, toys, gardening, reading, and tv shows. Rummaging through my junk to >> clean up was overwhelming with memories most of the time, and still is >> sometimes when organizing books, pictures, school documents, there is a >> flood of emotion and sadness I guess. Much of how I've seen the world has >> been through a very tarnished lens, or what I've seen tarnished it, >> whichever.. Now I am older and have thought and drank beyond exhaustion, I >> look back and can choose whether to think about things in a way that can >> lead to strong psychosomatic reactions, or in a blink collapse my world up >> to this time and identify what is worth fighting for and investing hope in. >> Most of it has been like a dream, compared to the simplest and purest >> things. The realest things of all have been those I can prove the least. The >> strong sentimental attachments, guilt, etc are not real except in their >> consequences I suppose as a particle doesn't exist but by interactions of >> various forces/energies. Even I must know this to overcome and offer more >> than reactions, but the road between absolutes must logically be an absolute >> as well. So IMO, there is a lot of room, probably much more than I could >> think up in a lifetime, a very different number from what I can put into >> words sadly. >> >> I'll read the other responses after posting, I feel like a shit tonight. >> :p >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:31 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination >>> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of >>> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and >>> unbreakable bliss. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles >>> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound >>> > confused >>> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just >>> > what >>> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to >>> > realize >>> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an >>> > infinite >>> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler person >>> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take a >>> > life >>> > time to perfect. >>> > Allan >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , >>> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being >>> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into >>> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have >>> >> > nothing >>> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means >>> >> > little >>> >> > and I >>> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without >>> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want it >>> >> > to >>> >> > be >>> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like >>> >> > work >>> >> > simply because I enjoy working >>> >> > >>> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you >>> >> > understand >>> >> > what they are actually saying? >>> >> > >>> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies >>> >> > to >>> >> > every >>> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body and >>> >> > soul is >>> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call >>> >> > him.) >>> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is >>> >> > different. By >>> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding to >>> >> > God >>> >> > the >>> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and >>> >> > subtle.If >>> >> > you >>> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. >>> >> > >>> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death and >>> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? >>> >> > Allan >>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a >>> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool >>> >> >> and >>> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly >>> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts >>> >> >> and >>> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts >>> >> >> without >>> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put >>> >> >> forth >>> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the >>> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly >>> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it >>> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right >>> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. >>> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the >>> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think >>> >> >> that >>> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to >>> >> >> learn. >>> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering >>> >> >> dust >>> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and >>> >> >> accept >>> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan >>> >> >> > before >>> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on the >>> >> >> > basis >>> >> >> > of >>> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things such >>> >> >> > that >>> >> >> > we >>> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual >>> >> >> > division >>> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of an >>> >> >> > eternal >>> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest >>> >> >> > height >>> >> >> > that >>> >> >> > any >>> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The >>> >> >> > truth, >>> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as the >>> >> >> > only >>> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a >>> >> >> > half-truth, >>> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a >>> >> >> > mere >>> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is just >>> >> >> > one >>> >> >> > step of >>> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all of >>> >> >> > that >>> >> >> > may >>> >> >> > fall within another mastery). >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, >>> >> >> > wherever it >>> >> >> > may >>> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions >>> >> >> > of >>> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd >>> >> >> > flip >>> >> >> > upside >>> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are and >>> >> >> > what >>> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or >>> >> >> > what >>> >> >> > we >>> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose >>> >> >> > even >>> >> >> > if >>> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many >>> >> >> > arts so >>> >> >> > long >>> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- >>> >> >> > tools >>> >> >> > handed >>> >> >> > down for us to build on. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could you >>> >> >> > offer >>> >> >> > more >>> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn >>> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people >>> >> >> > set >>> >> >> > the >>> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because they >>> >> >> > have >>> >> >> > set >>> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a >>> >> >> > self >>> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . >>> >> >> > Allan >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization >>> >> >> >> while >>> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , >>> >> >> >> that >>> >> >> >> is >>> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and adverse >>> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of detachment >>> >> >> >> while >>> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] >>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to >>> >> >> >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but >>> >> >> >> > possible. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; >>> >> >> >> >> some >>> >> >> >> >> are >>> >> >> >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others >>> >> >> >> >> despicable; >>> >> >> >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are >>> >> >> >> >> made >>> >> >> >> >> from >>> >> >> >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go and >>> >> >> >> >> find >>> >> >> >> >> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be understood but >>> >> >> >> >> never >>> >> >> >> >> experienced while in this body. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> > ( >>> >> >> > ) >>> >> >> > I_D Allan >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>> >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > ( >>> >> > ) >>> >> > I_D Allan >>> >> > >>> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > ( >>> > ) >>> > I_D Allan >>> > >>> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> I_D Allan >> >> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >
