Wow.. that is true courage Ash, when one changes their ways , that is true repentance especially in the christian sense, You are my friend and a very very special friend. What I know of beyond what you have written you have changed. It will take me a little bit to get the courage to write of my past I will take the time though most of it is boring as I was mostly stuck on a farm commuting with my father to school. I never really got into trouble. I was not repentant when I thew a stone and busted Jody Mays in the head with a stone from a half a block away,, ( I have never really been able to throw anything accurately since I always tend to hold on to what ever am throwing. I will send you a personal message Allan
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > "Ash could you explain to me how can something does not exist attain > eternal bliss?" -Allan > > You know I have to! ;-) When I was a young boy I had to learn how to > entertain myself sustainably, which meant combining my early rudimentary > understanding of things in the world with a limited collection of cars, army > guys, and some other things with my environment. So around the age of three > or four I recall making cities and construction sites with various roles > played out by the toys in dirt or gravel with sticks and string for crafting > rigs and structures. It was also around that age I learned to tune a TV to > watch the late night Cheers and M.A.S.H. episodes, the kid stuff was mostly > earlier and weekends. The relationships I developed in fantasy and with my > shows were an outlet, though I always had a strong capacity to fixate on > something until it nearly encompassed my whole world, just the simplest > things I could study in peace endlessly. My older sisters were taken away > from us at that time so it was just my little sister, mom and I. Then a fire > that I caused erased all that remained of that time, I guess that's why you > shouldn't leave toddlers home alone for extended periods of time.. It was > only just now thinking about it, how frantically I was hushed while trying > to apologize and shaking in front of the firemen and why my mother cried > with real pain when the grief from that time caused me to finally apologize > and claim guilt for destroying our lives five years later. From before that > time my mom and her six kids had rough times in the south, then there was my > two sisters who cared for me and they were constantly in trouble with the > law and fighting but they looked after me and cared. After the fire there > was repeated loss, friends, schools, belongings, going from eking it out to > beggar over and again. What do you choose if you can only pick what you can > grab in a bag on the way out.. Anyways, I developed very sentimental > attachments to the things time was spent on like tinkering with electronics > parts, toys, gardening, reading, and tv shows. Rummaging through my junk to > clean up was overwhelming with memories most of the time, and still is > sometimes when organizing books, pictures, school documents, there is a > flood of emotion and sadness I guess. Much of how I've seen the world has > been through a very tarnished lens, or what I've seen tarnished it, > whichever.. Now I am older and have thought and drank beyond exhaustion, I > look back and can choose whether to think about things in a way that can > lead to strong psychosomatic reactions, or in a blink collapse my world up > to this time and identify what is worth fighting for and investing hope in. > Most of it has been like a dream, compared to the simplest and purest > things. The realest things of all have been those I can prove the least. The > strong sentimental attachments, guilt, etc are not real except in their > consequences I suppose as a particle doesn't exist but by interactions of > various forces/energies. Even I must know this to overcome and offer more > than reactions, but the road between absolutes must logically be an absolute > as well. So IMO, there is a lot of room, probably much more than I could > think up in a lifetime, a very different number from what I can put into > words sadly. > > I'll read the other responses after posting, I feel like a shit tonight. :p > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:31 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination >> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of >> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and >> unbreakable bliss. >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles >> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound >> confused >> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just >> what >> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to >> realize >> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an >> infinite >> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler person >> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take a >> life >> > time to perfect. >> > Allan >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , >> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being >> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into >> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have >> >> > nothing >> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means little >> >> > and I >> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without >> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want it >> to >> >> > be >> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like >> work >> >> > simply because I enjoy working >> >> > >> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you >> understand >> >> > what they are actually saying? >> >> > >> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies to >> >> > every >> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body and >> >> > soul is >> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call >> >> > him.) >> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is >> >> > different. By >> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding to >> God >> >> > the >> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and subtle.If >> >> > you >> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. >> >> > >> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death and >> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? >> >> > Allan >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a >> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool and >> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly >> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts >> and >> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts >> without >> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put >> forth >> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the >> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly >> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it >> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right >> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. >> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the >> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think >> that >> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to >> learn. >> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering >> dust >> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and accept >> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan >> >> >> > before >> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on the >> >> >> > basis >> >> >> > of >> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things such >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual >> >> >> > division >> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of an >> >> >> > eternal >> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest >> height >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > any >> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The >> truth, >> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as the >> only >> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a >> >> >> > half-truth, >> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a >> mere >> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is just >> one >> >> >> > step of >> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all of >> that >> >> >> > may >> >> >> > fall within another mastery). >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, wherever >> it >> >> >> > may >> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions of >> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd >> flip >> >> >> > upside >> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are and >> >> >> > what >> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or >> what >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose >> even >> >> >> > if >> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many arts >> so >> >> >> > long >> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- >> tools >> >> >> > handed >> >> >> > down for us to build on. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could you >> >> >> > offer >> >> >> > more >> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn >> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people >> set >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because they >> have >> >> >> > set >> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a self >> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . >> >> >> > Allan >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization while >> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , >> that >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and adverse >> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of detachment >> >> >> >> while >> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to >> >> >> >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but >> possible. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; >> some >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others >> >> >> >> >> despicable; >> >> >> >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are made >> >> >> >> >> from >> >> >> >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go and >> >> >> >> >> find >> >> >> >> >> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be understood but >> >> >> >> >> never >> >> >> >> >> experienced while in this body. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > ( >> >> >> > ) >> >> >> > I_D Allan >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > ( >> >> > ) >> >> > I_D Allan >> >> > >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ( >> > ) >> > I_D Allan >> > >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
