Darn there is that blimp in my email again just a figment of my imagination Allan Have I been uncivil?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:53 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > When the outer coatings upon the Self disappear on the realization of > Reality or when they become apparent to be what they are , a person > realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination and no degree > of insolence on your part can make me a figment of your imagination > because you are albeit a mortal like me and will cease to be whenever > God so decides , and that being so I am not hurt by your profanity > rather amused by your lack of civility in the face of arguments that > go against your ill-founded beliefs. > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:41 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > RP You are nothing more than a bible thumper oops I am soory a Gita > thumper > > according to your logic because I am part of God and you are but a > figment > > of God's imagination therefore because I am part of God you must be by > your > > definition by a figment of my imagination. Because you are nothing but a > > figment of my imagination therefore you do not exist. > > Ash could you explain to me how can something does not exist attain > eternal > > bliss? > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:31 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination > >> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of > >> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and > >> unbreakable bliss. > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles > >> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound > >> > confused > >> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just > >> > what > >> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to > >> > realize > >> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an > >> > infinite > >> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler > person > >> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take > a > >> > life > >> > time to perfect. > >> > Allan > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , > >> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being > >> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into > >> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have > >> >> > nothing > >> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means > little > >> >> > and I > >> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without > >> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want > it > >> >> > to > >> >> > be > >> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like > >> >> > work > >> >> > simply because I enjoy working > >> >> > > >> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you > >> >> > understand > >> >> > what they are actually saying? > >> >> > > >> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies > to > >> >> > every > >> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body > and > >> >> > soul is > >> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call > >> >> > him.) > >> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is > >> >> > different. By > >> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding to > >> >> > God > >> >> > the > >> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and > subtle.If > >> >> > you > >> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. > >> >> > > >> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death > and > >> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? > >> >> > Allan > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a > >> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool > and > >> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly > >> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts > >> >> >> without > >> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put > >> >> >> forth > >> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the > >> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly > >> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it > >> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right > >> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. > >> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the > >> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to > >> >> >> learn. > >> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering > >> >> >> dust > >> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and > accept > >> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan > >> >> >> > before > >> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on > the > >> >> >> > basis > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things > such > >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> > we > >> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual > >> >> >> > division > >> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of > an > >> >> >> > eternal > >> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest > >> >> >> > height > >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> > any > >> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The > >> >> >> > truth, > >> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as the > >> >> >> > only > >> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a > >> >> >> > half-truth, > >> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a > >> >> >> > mere > >> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is just > >> >> >> > one > >> >> >> > step of > >> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all of > >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> > may > >> >> >> > fall within another mastery). > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, > wherever > >> >> >> > it > >> >> >> > may > >> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions > of > >> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd > >> >> >> > flip > >> >> >> > upside > >> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are > and > >> >> >> > what > >> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or > >> >> >> > what > >> >> >> > we > >> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose > >> >> >> > even > >> >> >> > if > >> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many > arts > >> >> >> > so > >> >> >> > long > >> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- > >> >> >> > tools > >> >> >> > handed > >> >> >> > down for us to build on. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could > you > >> >> >> > offer > >> >> >> > more > >> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn > >> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people > >> >> >> > set > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because they > >> >> >> > have > >> >> >> > set > >> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a > self > >> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . > >> >> >> > Allan > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization > while > >> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , > >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> is > >> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and > adverse > >> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of > detachment > >> >> >> >> while > >> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to > >> >> >> >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but > >> >> >> >> > possible. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; > >> >> >> >> >> some > >> >> >> >> >> are > >> >> >> >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others > >> >> >> >> >> despicable; > >> >> >> >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are > made > >> >> >> >> >> from > >> >> >> >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go > and > >> >> >> >> >> find > >> >> >> >> >> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be understood > but > >> >> >> >> >> never > >> >> >> >> >> experienced while in this body. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > ( > >> >> >> > ) > >> >> >> > I_D Allan > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >> >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > ( > >> >> > ) > >> >> > I_D Allan > >> >> > > >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ( > >> > ) > >> > I_D Allan > >> > > >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
