While still in this body you can attain the salvation of the mind by being good , cool , unattached to worldly possessions , and an understanding of reality. After death you can have the salvation of the Spirit and attain to supreme bliss.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Yet earlier you claimed that such liberation cannot come whilst still > alive. How can one understand, or attain salvation through > understanding when the power to understand is no more? > > I put instead this way. > > We are not seperate from God, this is impossible as God is all, god is > pervasive throughout the creation, there exists not one iota of matter > nor of spirit that is not of God. In a very real way God created the > creation out of the spirt of God. That is before there existed any > matter, there was only God in spirit. God uttered Om(if that is your > beliife) or said 'let there be light'(if that is your belife) or in > some manner created out of the spirt (or intelegance) of God. > Literaly then the whole of creation can be said to be the 'body' of > God. > > The trick then is remebering, or realising this fundemantal truth, > there is no duality, we are not seperate from God. The bliss you talk > of is realisation of this, and so God is attained, or more properly, > the truth(sat) is remembered. As we may say Sat Sri Akaal! God is > the objective truth. > > > > On Jan 25, 3:31 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination >> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of >> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and >> unbreakable bliss. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles >> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound confused >> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just what >> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to >> > realize >> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an infinite >> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler person >> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take a >> > life >> > time to perfect. >> > Allan >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , >> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being >> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into >> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have >> >> > nothing >> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means little >> >> > and I >> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without >> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want it to >> >> > be >> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like work >> >> > simply because I enjoy working >> >> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you understand >> >> > what they are actually saying? >> >> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies to >> >> > every >> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body and >> >> > soul is >> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call >> >> > him.) >> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is >> >> > different. By >> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding to God >> >> > the >> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and subtle.If >> >> > you >> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. >> >> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death and >> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? >> >> > Allan >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a >> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool and >> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly >> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts and >> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts without >> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put forth >> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the >> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly >> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it >> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right >> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. >> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the >> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think that >> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to learn. >> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering dust >> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and accept >> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan >> >> >> > before >> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on the >> >> >> > basis >> >> >> > of >> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things such >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual >> >> >> > division >> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of an >> >> >> > eternal >> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest height >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > any >> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The truth, >> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as the only >> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a >> >> >> > half-truth, >> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a mere >> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is just one >> >> >> > step of >> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all of that >> >> >> > may >> >> >> > fall within another mastery). >> >> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, wherever it >> >> >> > may >> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions of >> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd flip >> >> >> > upside >> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are and >> >> >> > what >> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or what >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose even >> >> >> > if >> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many arts so >> >> >> > long >> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- tools >> >> >> > handed >> >> >> > down for us to build on. >> >> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could you >> >> >> > offer >> >> >> > more >> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? >> >> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: >> >> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn >> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people set >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because they have >> >> >> > set >> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a self >> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . >> >> >> > Allan >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization while >> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , that >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and adverse >> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of detachment >> >> >> >> while >> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to >> >> >> >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but possible. >> >> >> >> >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; some >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others >> >> >> >> >> despicable; >> >> >> >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are made >> >> >> >> >> from >> >> >> >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go and >> >> >> >> >> find >> >> >> >> >> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be understood but >> >> >> >> >> never >> >> >> >> >> experienced while in this body. >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > ( >> >> >> > ) >> >> >> > I_D Allan >> >> >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> >> > -- >> >> > ( >> >> > ) >> >> > I_D Allan >> >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> > -- >> > ( >> > ) >> > I_D Allan >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -
