But there is no duality, just the mistaken insistance that that there is.
On Jan 27, 10:16 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > By salvation of the mind I mean achievement of that state of purity of > mind which makes a person to be known as a self-realized soul. That is > the state where a person is nearest to the state of non-duality while > still being in duality. > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:22 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > While still in this body you can attain the salvation of the mind by > > being good , cool , unattached to worldly possessions , and an > > understanding of reality. After death you can have the salvation of > > the Spirit and attain to supreme bliss. > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, [email protected] > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yet earlier you claimed that such liberation cannot come whilst still > >> alive. How can one understand, or attain salvation through > >> understanding when the power to understand is no more? > > >> I put instead this way. > > >> We are not seperate from God, this is impossible as God is all, god is > >> pervasive throughout the creation, there exists not one iota of matter > >> nor of spirit that is not of God. In a very real way God created the > >> creation out of the spirt of God. That is before there existed any > >> matter, there was only God in spirit. God uttered Om(if that is your > >> beliife) or said 'let there be light'(if that is your belife) or in > >> some manner created out of the spirt (or intelegance) of God. > >> Literaly then the whole of creation can be said to be the 'body' of > >> God. > > >> The trick then is remebering, or realising this fundemantal truth, > >> there is no duality, we are not seperate from God. The bliss you talk > >> of is realisation of this, and so God is attained, or more properly, > >> the truth(sat) is remembered. As we may say Sat Sri Akaal! God is > >> the objective truth. > > >> On Jan 25, 3:31 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination > >>> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of > >>> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and > >>> unbreakable bliss. > > >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles > >>> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound > >>> > confused > >>> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just > >>> > what > >>> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to > >>> > realize > >>> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an > >>> > infinite > >>> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler person > >>> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take a > >>> > life > >>> > time to perfect. > >>> > Allan > > >>> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , > >>> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being > >>> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into > >>> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. > > >>> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have > >>> >> > nothing > >>> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means little > >>> >> > and I > >>> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without > >>> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want it > >>> >> > to > >>> >> > be > >>> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like > >>> >> > work > >>> >> > simply because I enjoy working > > >>> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you > >>> >> > understand > >>> >> > what they are actually saying? > > >>> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies to > >>> >> > every > >>> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body and > >>> >> > soul is > >>> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call > >>> >> > him.) > >>> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is > >>> >> > different. By > >>> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding to > >>> >> > God > >>> >> > the > >>> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and subtle.If > >>> >> > you > >>> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. > > >>> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death and > >>> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? > >>> >> > Allan > > >>> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a > >>> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool and > >>> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly > >>> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts > >>> >> >> and > >>> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts > >>> >> >> without > >>> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put > >>> >> >> forth > >>> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the > >>> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly > >>> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it > >>> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right > >>> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. > >>> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the > >>> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think > >>> >> >> that > >>> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to > >>> >> >> learn. > >>> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering > >>> >> >> dust > >>> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and accept > >>> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. > > >>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan > >>> >> >> > before > >>> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on the > >>> >> >> > basis > >>> >> >> > of > >>> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things such > >>> >> >> > that > >>> >> >> > we > >>> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual > >>> >> >> > division > >>> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of an > >>> >> >> > eternal > >>> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest > >>> >> >> > height > >>> >> >> > that > >>> >> >> > any > >>> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The > >>> >> >> > truth, > >>> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as the > >>> >> >> > only > >>> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a > >>> >> >> > half-truth, > >>> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a > >>> >> >> > mere > >>> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is just > >>> >> >> > one > >>> >> >> > step of > >>> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all of > >>> >> >> > that > >>> >> >> > may > >>> >> >> > fall within another mastery). > > >>> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, > >>> >> >> > wherever it > >>> >> >> > may > >>> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions of > >>> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd > >>> >> >> > flip > >>> >> >> > upside > >>> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are and > >>> >> >> > what > >>> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or > >>> >> >> > what > >>> >> >> > we > >>> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose > >>> >> >> > even > >>> >> >> > if > >>> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many > >>> >> >> > arts so > >>> >> >> > long > >>> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- > >>> >> >> > tools > >>> >> >> > handed > >>> >> >> > down for us to build on. > > >>> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could you > >>> >> >> > offer > >>> >> >> > more > >>> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? > > >>> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: > > >>> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn > >>> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people > >>> >> >> > set > >>> >> >> > the > >>> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because they > >>> >> >> > have > >>> >> >> > set > >>> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a self > >>> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . > >>> >> >> > Allan > > >>> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > >>> >> >> > wrote: > > >>> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization while > >>> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , > >>> >> >> >> that > >>> >> >> >> is > >>> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and adverse > >>> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of detachment > >>> >> >> >> while > >>> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. > > >>> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] > >>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to > >>> >> >> >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but > >>> >> >> >> > possible. > > >>> >> >> >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> >> >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; > >>> >> >> >> >> some > >>> >> >> >> >> are > >>> >> >> >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others > >>> >> >> >> >> despicable; > >>> >> >> >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are made > >>> >> >> >> >> from > >>> >> >> >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go and > >>> >> >> >> >> find > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
