Actually, we all brought garbage bags, and cleaned up after ourselves. As for finding a job, I've been on the market for over 18 months, with a solid, industry professional resume, and have found nothing. Meanwhile, many of my former colleagues have joined my ranks.
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: > The biased media and comics have been trashing conservatives and > ridiculing the Tea Party and various candidiates so you have to expect > some payback. > > How do these protestors expect to find a job or stay in school if they > spend all their time protesting? Who will pay for the clean-up? What > business would risk hiring these people? > > Most loot is not easily transported. :-) > > On Oct 6, 9:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > I scanned it and agree, a bit bullshitty but one must admire the hopeful > > tone the writer emits. So the Occupiers are all about coming together if > not > > completely cogent on their reasons for doing so. Where the Tea Party, to > me, > > has mostly been about tax and spending cuts Tthe Occupiers seem, again to > > me(it's a shame it's still so unclear) to be all about political > corporate > > favoritism. I would hesitate to label the 99%ers as Class Warriors > although > > many of their organizers seem to have this at the top of their agenda. > > > > I'm disappointed in the rhetoric from Conservative mouthpieces like > Limbaugh > > that are trashing the movement. Ridiculing the protestors and so forth. > It > > would make more sense to recognize that there are those that are having > some > > tough times and try to help educate those disaffected folks on the real > > problems which isn't rich people per se. It's bad government. By both > > Republicans and Democrats. In a nutshell, too much wasteful spending and > not > > enough pin-pointed economic stimulus spending. > > > > Thanks for the link to the Boston Group Arch I'll probably read it again > > soon. These economist make sense but the real problem is going to be > coming > > up with something everyone can swallow. We sure don't need our very own > > Reign Of Terror. Nobody wants to give in here. If I was rich I'd be tired > of > > being called the bad guy all the time unless I really was the bad guy in > > which case I wouldn't care a fig. I'd take my loot and go somewhere else. > > God help us all. > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There's a take on Occupy Wall Street at > > > > >http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics. > .. > > > - that sounds like Allan - a bit bullshitty (sorry Al - not you) Chris > > > but an interesting take. > > > > > I can't stand any standard politics now. It's madness. > > > > > On Oct 6, 8:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think there is where the problem lies,, several decades ago the > > > > revolution was bassed off ideology differences (the Little Red Book) > > > this > > > > really was not a valid reason.. > > > > > > today I see > > > > http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics...differentworld,, > especially in the US also to a > > > > lesser extent Europe.. in the US there are other problems there are > > > > existing undergrounds outside of police intelligence,, there are > massive > > > > amounts of weapons out of site and out of mind and other than the > owner > > > no > > > > one knows about them.. Even I still have guns and I no longer live > > > there.. > > > > > > The US is extremely Large,, there is also a large community of motor > > > homes > > > > which have the ability move and potentially lower the cost of > living.. > > > > and organize.. the police are not unsympathetic either as they often > > > times > > > > in the same or similar situation.. > > > > > > I do believe co-op-s will become more plentiful, underground work > will > > > > become more prevalent.. it will change,, I think the start is in > > > > eliminating the political corruption that is so embedded.. > > > > sigh > > > > Allan > > > > > > I hate change .. but greed is so wide spread.. a tremendous lose > > > > of spirituality ,, but fundamentalism may have some perks in the > end,, > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Chris Jenkins < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > I see BoA as an infinitely powerful entity, and can't imagine the > > > behemoth > > > > > falling. > > > > > On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Pruning ain't the metaphor I'd choose Chris. Dexia Bank has just > gone > > > > > > belly-up - it was 'worth' more than Belgium's GDP. The 'money' in > the > > > > > > banking scam is at factors of ten in comparison with the world of > > > real > > > > > > work. My view is that it's in the way of capitalism and > democracy. > > > > > > The informed guess is they've been lending to crooks on a scale > > > vastly > > > > > > bigger than the barrel-loads of dollars gone in Iraq and > Afghanistan > > > > > > without securing any 'mineral rights'. The kleft stick is that > they > > > > > > can only make money through the same old scams, so whatever we > put > > > > > > back in (and I mean we) just does it all over again. In an > > > > > > oversimplified way, much of the debt is like you owing me $2 > million, > > > > > > Don owing 'Francois' $5 million, me owing Molly (etc.) in an > equation > > > > > > in which, if we cancelled out we're all solvent and I owe Orn a > beer > > > > > > he won'r drink. What goes in the cancelling is the banks - the > debts > > > > > > are so networked it's almost like the $2 million you owe me is > > > > > > balanced by $1.99 million I owe to people who owe you. I've been > > > > > > teaching the EU figures if anyone is interested (they just tell > this > > > > > > story between EU countries). > > > > > > > > We've finally seen some reporting here. A Wall Street guy came on > and > > > > > > said he was amazed more people weren't protesting as he thought > true > > > > > > unemployment was at 15% - which is what I reckon here. The real > issue > > > > > > to me is jobs and wages. A key figure for me is that the bottom > 50% > > > > > > back in 1980 had 14% of liquid assets (cash more or less) and > that's > > > > > > down to 1% now. Wages have fallen. The debt problem starts around > > > > > > 1965 and it's similar in form to similar ones around gold rushes > in > > > > > > history. Most people I've seen on television or met in Manchester > > > > > > don't know much of the economics but are sick of the lack of > > > > > > opportunity. > > > > > > > > I was left a house when my cousin died and had to drop the price > by a > > > > > > fifth to sell. There's no decent unskilled or engineering work > around > > > > > > here and jobs are being lost at some rate. Just up the road we > have > > > > > > 64 years of UK energy supply as shale gas about to be exploited. > I > > > > > > worked on the survey 25 years back. You'd think we'd have a plan > > > > > > around this but there isn't one. > > > > > > > > Political blather is just about getting the economy moving, our > > > people > > > > > > working. It's all dross. Interestingly, our Republicans couldn't > > > > > > even fill the seats for the Prime Minister's speech. He's not a > half- > > > > > > wit like Palin but he's claiming his government has dealt with > the > > > > > > banks - yet two of the one's we bailed out are still making the > kinds > > > > > > of losses they were before 2008. One of them,HBOS, was running a > > > > > > criminal scam that closed many small companies and is not > cooperating > > > > > > with the limited police enquiries. > > > > > > > > I don't think most people know how bad it all is yet. The > collapse of > > > > > > Soc. Gen. and Bank of America should do it - B o A could even end > up > > > > > > Chinese. There are underlying questions on how we get fed if it > all > > > > > > collapses - after all, we're still growing the food. > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 9:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. Maybe if > the > > > > > bankers > > > > > >> and stock market wake up. > > > > > > > >> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state and the > > > United > > > > > >> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate skirt > > > > > >> Allan > > > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the entire > history > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > >> > Supreme Court. > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Comm. > > > > > .. > > > > > > > >> > Restricting unions while empowering corporations in political > > > speech > > > > > is one > > > > > >> > of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address. > > > > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> It looks like the unions are entering into the fray. No doubt > > > this > > > > > >> >> will accelerate the attacks on them… such as the proposals to > > > greatly > > > > > >> >> limit and/or not allow political contributions. Perhaps if > they > > > > > >> >> incorporated…. > > > > > > > > http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/as_unions_students_join_occupy_. > > > .. > > > > > > > >> >> On Oct 5, 8:02 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > And thus the need for education. CDO Swaps and other bits > of > > > > > banking > > > > > >> >> > nastiness that prune money from the system while > contributing > > > > > nothing to > > > > > >> >> it > > > > > >> >> > are part of the problem. > > > > > > > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 PM, archytas < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so far - > people > > > also > > > > > >> >> > > making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I went to > the > > > > > >> >> > > Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people 'why'? I'm > not > > > sure > > > > > >> >> > > heard much that was accurate. Might have a look at > Greece > > > nearer > > > > > >> >> > > Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know what > > > collateral- > > > > > >> >> > > derivative fractional banking was. > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, yes? > > > > > >> >> > > > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of an > > > ostrich > > > > > with > > > > > >> >> its > > > > > >> >> > > > > head in the sand - these being the people not doing > > > > > occupation. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night only > to > > > have > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> topic > > > > > >> >> > > > >> return this morning.. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some thing > emerged > > > > > that > > > > > >> >> does not > > > > > >> >> > > > make > > > > > >> >> > > > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one can > > > > > straighten me > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - >
