Gabby, I hope you approve. I tried my best to follow rule #10: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150334273466494.348470.722681493&l=b50118df79&type=1
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>wrote: > Actually, we all brought garbage bags, and cleaned up after ourselves. As > for finding a job, I've been on the market for over 18 months, with a solid, > industry professional resume, and have found nothing. Meanwhile, many of my > former colleagues have joined my ranks. > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: > >> The biased media and comics have been trashing conservatives and >> ridiculing the Tea Party and various candidiates so you have to expect >> some payback. >> >> How do these protestors expect to find a job or stay in school if they >> spend all their time protesting? Who will pay for the clean-up? What >> business would risk hiring these people? >> >> Most loot is not easily transported. :-) >> >> On Oct 6, 9:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I scanned it and agree, a bit bullshitty but one must admire the hopeful >> > tone the writer emits. So the Occupiers are all about coming together if >> not >> > completely cogent on their reasons for doing so. Where the Tea Party, to >> me, >> > has mostly been about tax and spending cuts Tthe Occupiers seem, again >> to >> > me(it's a shame it's still so unclear) to be all about political >> corporate >> > favoritism. I would hesitate to label the 99%ers as Class Warriors >> although >> > many of their organizers seem to have this at the top of their agenda. >> > >> > I'm disappointed in the rhetoric from Conservative mouthpieces like >> Limbaugh >> > that are trashing the movement. Ridiculing the protestors and so forth. >> It >> > would make more sense to recognize that there are those that are having >> some >> > tough times and try to help educate those disaffected folks on the real >> > problems which isn't rich people per se. It's bad government. By both >> > Republicans and Democrats. In a nutshell, too much wasteful spending and >> not >> > enough pin-pointed economic stimulus spending. >> > >> > Thanks for the link to the Boston Group Arch I'll probably read it again >> > soon. These economist make sense but the real problem is going to be >> coming >> > up with something everyone can swallow. We sure don't need our very own >> > Reign Of Terror. Nobody wants to give in here. If I was rich I'd be >> tired of >> > being called the bad guy all the time unless I really was the bad guy in >> > which case I wouldn't care a fig. I'd take my loot and go somewhere >> else. >> > God help us all. >> > >> > dj >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > There's a take on Occupy Wall Street at >> > >> > >http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics. >> .. >> > > - that sounds like Allan - a bit bullshitty (sorry Al - not you) Chris >> > > but an interesting take. >> > >> > > I can't stand any standard politics now. It's madness. >> > >> > > On Oct 6, 8:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > I think there is where the problem lies,, several decades ago the >> > > > revolution was bassed off ideology differences (the Little Red Book) >> > > this >> > > > really was not a valid reason.. >> > >> > > > today I see >> > > >> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics...differentworld,, >> especially in the US also to a >> > > > lesser extent Europe.. in the US there are other problems there are >> > > > existing undergrounds outside of police intelligence,, there are >> massive >> > > > amounts of weapons out of site and out of mind and other than the >> owner >> > > no >> > > > one knows about them.. Even I still have guns and I no longer live >> > > there.. >> > >> > > > The US is extremely Large,, there is also a large community of motor >> > > homes >> > > > which have the ability move and potentially lower the cost of >> living.. >> > > > and organize.. the police are not unsympathetic either as they often >> > > times >> > > > in the same or similar situation.. >> > >> > > > I do believe co-op-s will become more plentiful, underground work >> will >> > > > become more prevalent.. it will change,, I think the start is in >> > > > eliminating the political corruption that is so embedded.. >> > > > sigh >> > > > Allan >> > >> > > > I hate change .. but greed is so wide spread.. a tremendous lose >> > > > of spirituality ,, but fundamentalism may have some perks in the >> end,, >> > >> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Chris Jenkins < >> > > [email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > > > > I see BoA as an infinitely powerful entity, and can't imagine the >> > > behemoth >> > > > > falling. >> > > > > On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > Pruning ain't the metaphor I'd choose Chris. Dexia Bank has just >> gone >> > > > > > belly-up - it was 'worth' more than Belgium's GDP. The 'money' >> in the >> > > > > > banking scam is at factors of ten in comparison with the world >> of >> > > real >> > > > > > work. My view is that it's in the way of capitalism and >> democracy. >> > > > > > The informed guess is they've been lending to crooks on a scale >> > > vastly >> > > > > > bigger than the barrel-loads of dollars gone in Iraq and >> Afghanistan >> > > > > > without securing any 'mineral rights'. The kleft stick is that >> they >> > > > > > can only make money through the same old scams, so whatever we >> put >> > > > > > back in (and I mean we) just does it all over again. In an >> > > > > > oversimplified way, much of the debt is like you owing me $2 >> million, >> > > > > > Don owing 'Francois' $5 million, me owing Molly (etc.) in an >> equation >> > > > > > in which, if we cancelled out we're all solvent and I owe Orn a >> beer >> > > > > > he won'r drink. What goes in the cancelling is the banks - the >> debts >> > > > > > are so networked it's almost like the $2 million you owe me is >> > > > > > balanced by $1.99 million I owe to people who owe you. I've been >> > > > > > teaching the EU figures if anyone is interested (they just tell >> this >> > > > > > story between EU countries). >> > >> > > > > > We've finally seen some reporting here. A Wall Street guy came >> on and >> > > > > > said he was amazed more people weren't protesting as he thought >> true >> > > > > > unemployment was at 15% - which is what I reckon here. The real >> issue >> > > > > > to me is jobs and wages. A key figure for me is that the bottom >> 50% >> > > > > > back in 1980 had 14% of liquid assets (cash more or less) and >> that's >> > > > > > down to 1% now. Wages have fallen. The debt problem starts >> around >> > > > > > 1965 and it's similar in form to similar ones around gold rushes >> in >> > > > > > history. Most people I've seen on television or met in >> Manchester >> > > > > > don't know much of the economics but are sick of the lack of >> > > > > > opportunity. >> > >> > > > > > I was left a house when my cousin died and had to drop the price >> by a >> > > > > > fifth to sell. There's no decent unskilled or engineering work >> around >> > > > > > here and jobs are being lost at some rate. Just up the road we >> have >> > > > > > 64 years of UK energy supply as shale gas about to be exploited. >> I >> > > > > > worked on the survey 25 years back. You'd think we'd have a plan >> > > > > > around this but there isn't one. >> > >> > > > > > Political blather is just about getting the economy moving, our >> > > people >> > > > > > working. It's all dross. Interestingly, our Republicans couldn't >> > > > > > even fill the seats for the Prime Minister's speech. He's not a >> half- >> > > > > > wit like Palin but he's claiming his government has dealt with >> the >> > > > > > banks - yet two of the one's we bailed out are still making the >> kinds >> > > > > > of losses they were before 2008. One of them,HBOS, was running a >> > > > > > criminal scam that closed many small companies and is not >> cooperating >> > > > > > with the limited police enquiries. >> > >> > > > > > I don't think most people know how bad it all is yet. The >> collapse of >> > > > > > Soc. Gen. and Bank of America should do it - B o A could even >> end up >> > > > > > Chinese. There are underlying questions on how we get fed if it >> all >> > > > > > collapses - after all, we're still growing the food. >> > >> > > > > > On Oct 5, 9:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. Maybe if >> the >> > > > > bankers >> > > > > >> and stock market wake up. >> > >> > > > > >> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state and the >> > > United >> > > > > >> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate skirt >> > > > > >> Allan >> > > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" < >> > > [email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> > Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the entire >> history >> > > of >> > > > > the >> > > > > >> > Supreme Court. >> > >> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Comm. >> > > > > .. >> > >> > > > > >> > Restricting unions while empowering corporations in political >> > > speech >> > > > > is one >> > > > > >> > of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address. >> > >> > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> >> It looks like the unions are entering into the fray. No >> doubt >> > > this >> > > > > >> >> will accelerate the attacks on them… such as the proposals >> to >> > > greatly >> > > > > >> >> limit and/or not allow political contributions. Perhaps if >> they >> > > > > >> >> incorporated…. >> > >> > > > > >> http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/as_unions_students_join_occupy_. >> > > .. >> > >> > > > > >> >> On Oct 5, 8:02 am, Chris Jenkins < >> [email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > >> >> > And thus the need for education. CDO Swaps and other bits >> of >> > > > > banking >> > > > > >> >> > nastiness that prune money from the system while >> contributing >> > > > > nothing to >> > > > > >> >> it >> > > > > >> >> > are part of the problem. >> > >> > > > > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 PM, archytas < >> [email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> >> > > We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so far - >> people >> > > also >> > > > > >> >> > > making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I went >> to the >> > > > > >> >> > > Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people 'why'? I'm >> not >> > > sure >> > > > > >> >> > > heard much that was accurate. Might have a look at >> Greece >> > > nearer >> > > > > >> >> > > Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know what >> > > collateral- >> > > > > >> >> > > derivative fractional banking was. >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins < >> [email protected] >> > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> >> > > > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, yes? >> > > > > >> >> > > > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" <[email protected] >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of an >> > > ostrich >> > > > > with >> > > > > >> >> its >> > > > > >> >> > > > > head in the sand - these being the people not doing >> > > > > occupation. >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night >> only to >> > > have >> > > > > the >> > > > > >> >> topic >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> return this morning.. >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some thing >> emerged >> > > > > that >> > > > > >> >> does not >> > > > > >> >> > > > make >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one can >> > > > > straighten me >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> > >
