"God powers" might also be a way of saying possession of grace in a religious sense. Not sure what race has to do with this as we humans arrive with the same form- what separates us is equity in several ways. Political structure is a matter of timing and luck plus picking the right side/group for the most part if you insist humans are political by nature. I think there are agreed principals of ethical behavior- universals- murked up with particulars. There is also a recognition of evil as a force to contend with- internal and external.
On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll pick up the stone > (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/reasons-matter-when-i...) > and argue that I cannot know if your Gods are false or not. Not > because I am not a religious man, or a black man, or a political man, > but because I am an individual and thereby only possess restrained > demonstrable God powers myself. > > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > All Gods that religious men speak about, brandish shall we say, are false. > > > The one distributing those "commandments" included. > > > Which is not what I would say about individuals who take initiatives to > > restrict people from moral turpitude and unethical conduct. > > > On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:01:46 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote: > > >> doesn't one of the commandments say something about false gods? > >> Allan > > >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Thank you, Vam- I hope it is another precious visit. > > >> > Politics has become a "religion", as well. Just substitue a few words > >> > in your paragraph. :-) > > >> > On Oct 13, 5:38 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Rigs, I can't help but think of the presence of a daughter and her > >> >> family > >> >> as " Happy Times " with grand-daughters ... noise, play, shout, > >> >> request, > >> >> demand and irritate, reminisce and gossip ,,, ! Hope it acrually turns > >> >> to > >> >> be a happy interlude . > > >> >> I have no doubts about severely debilitating and cosmic effects of > >> >> religions that junk reason and humanity, and demand their adherents too > >> >> to > >> >> remain steadfast with the irrational. An institutional frame of clerics > >> >> and > >> >> clergy for global control is no more than a prison, covered with very > >> >> beguiling but false promise of freedom. > > >> >> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: > > >> >> > Not sure if religion, cults, tribal mischief did not have the same > >> >> > effect Vam. Consider the countless wars, for instance. But I think > >> >> > western man has turn the Age of Machines into a new religion and one > >> >> > could draw many parallels- and has, via artists and authors. Anyway, > >> >> > after spending way too much time finding a new niche for my morning > >> >> > coffee maker before my daughter and two grand-daughters come for the > >> >> > Xmas holidays (!), I have certainly racked up the equivalent of a > >> >> > novena! BTW, a couple of years ago I noticed my feet were slightly > >> >> > stiff in the morning and I worried that my flight to the kitchen for > >> >> > a > >> >> > mug of coffee could be perilous so I bought one of those small coffee > >> >> > makers for the upstairs and now include a muffin- just to rev up the > >> >> > joints before I seize the day. :-) Anyway, this might be a good idea > >> >> > for any who need to warm/rev up. (This is my machine confession.) On > >> >> > the other hand, I have been negotiating with the Divine for a new > >> >> > lawn/ > >> >> > snow guy and I am on the brink of success! lol > > >> >> > On Oct 11, 6:28 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > Bingo ! * sounding the drums * > > >> >> > > But what gives it the merit also renders science blind to much that > >> >> > > is > >> >> > > essential to our humanity, which are abstract and non-material ... > >> >> > beauty, > >> >> > > ethics, morals, truth, compassion, happiness, love, etc. > > >> >> > > Albert Einstein expressed is eloquently ... as have several others. > > >> >> > > There has been much since science overwhelmed us. But everytime it > >> >> > > has > >> >> > > served to delete a part or measure of our humanity, mankind has > >> >> > > struck a > >> >> > > blow at its own foot ! > > >> >> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:46:04 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: > > >> >> > > > I wasn't clear. I was thinking about new ideas and inventions > >> >> > > > which > >> >> > > > made older ideas and inventions obsolete or mere stepping stones > >> >> > > > to a > >> >> > > > greater truth. Science seems more open to changes and advances > >> >> > > > for the > >> >> > > > most part though Darwin had a struggle but that was because he > >> >> > > > stepped > >> >> > > > into religious territory which might mean that we are more open > >> >> > > > to > >> >> > > > change when it does not involve emotions and beliefs versus > >> >> > > > demonstrable facts. > > >> >> > > > On Oct 9, 9:08 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > It will still be more clever than the rest ! > > >> >> > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-) > > >> >> > > > > > On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > " Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed > >> >> > > > > > > to > >> >> > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans > >> >> > > > > > > for > >> >> > > > specific > >> >> > > > > > > acts or purposes ... " > > >> >> > > > > > > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man, > > >> >> > > > > > > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been > >> >> > > > > > > programmed > > >> >> > > > > > > but it would be more clever than every other man on the > >> >> > > > > > > planet ! > > >> >> > > > > > > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 > >> >> > > > > > > wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > > > And certain ants have also figured out how to enter the > >> >> > > > > > > > honey > >> >> > bee > >> >> > > > as a > >> >> > > > > > > > parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination. > >> >> > > > > > > > Species > >> >> > pick > >> >> > > > up > >> >> > > > > > > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more > >> >> > > > > > > > dedicated- > >> >> > > > patterns > >> >> > > > > > > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating worth > >> >> > > > > > > > with > >> >> > money/ > >> >> > > > > > > > salary?//Machines are only as clever as they have been > >> >> > programmed > >> >> > > > to > >> >> > > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans > >> >> > > > > > > > for > >> >> > > > specific > >> >> > > > > > > > acts or purposes but still short of general intelligence, > >> >> > insight > >> >> > > > and > >> >> > > > > > > > adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily "lousey" except > >> >> > > > > > > > the > >> >> > final > >> >> > > > > > > > chapter is death and certain goals were not realized or > >> >> > possible. > >> >> > > > Hard > >> >> > > > > > > > work/age does not create arthritis- that is a myth. The > >> >> > > > > > > > 12 > >> >> > year > >> >> > > > old > >> >> > > > > > > > across the street has arthritis and started some exercise > >> >> > > > > > > > for > >> >> > > > > > > > violinists. > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > > The archaeological evidence is that such things as the > >> >> > > > > > > > > move > >> >> > to > >> >> > > > > > farming > >> >> > > > > > > > > from hunter-gathering did not improve the human lot for > >> >> > those > >> >> > > > who > >> >> > > > > > > > > cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the work). > >> >> > > > > > > > > The > >> >> > obvious > >> >> > > > > > issue > >> >> > > > > > > > > for present society concerns the dubious status of our > >> >> > > > > > > > > work > >> >> > and > >> >> > > > > > life- > >> >> > > > > > > > > style ideologies. Slave-making ants kill the adults > >> >> > > > > > > > > in > >> >> > their > >> >> > > > host > >> >> > > > > > > > > ants and steal the 'eggs' in order to steal the work as > >> >> > > > > > > > > they > >> >> > > > become > >> >> > > > > > > > > adult by making them raise their own brood. Even in > >> >> > enslaved > >> >> > > > ant > >> >> > > > > > > > > consciousness something inspires 'rebellion' and 'duty' > >> >> > > > > > > > > to > >> >> > the > >> >> > > > wider > >> >> > > > > > > > > collective. Humans have a sad history of enslavement > >> >> > > > > > > > > and > >> >> > debt > >> >> > > > > > > > > peonage. > >> >> > > > > > > > > Undergraduates can be heard every year bemoaning > >> >> > > > > > > > > salaries on > >> >> > > > offer > >> >> > > > > > for > >> >> > > > > > > > > 'all their hard work' - few of them have done any! The > >> >> > Chinese > >> >> > > > > > refer > >> >> > > > > > > > > to their graduates who don't get the good jobs as 'Ant > >> >> > People'. > >> >> > > > > > Some > >> >> > > > > > > > > of my old colleagues inside technological manufacturing > >> >> > > > > > > > > used > >> >> > to > >> >> > > > note > >> >> > > > > > > > > the need for workers was disappearing faster than most > >> >> > > > > > > > > knew > >> >> > as > >> >> > > > work > >> >> > > > > > > > > and skill is embodied in technology (an old marxist > >> >> > > > > > > > > theme). > >> >> > My > >> >> > > > own > >> >> > > > > > > > > feeling is that we have killed off much valuable stuff > >> >> > > > > > > > > that > >> >> > > > James > >> >> > > > > > > > > suggests through the ejukation system - falsely > >> >> > > > > > > > > imagining > >> >> > > > subjects > >> >> > > > > > > > > designed in our dubious past teach anything other than > >> >> > control > >> >> > > > > > fraud. > >> >> > > > > > > > > Even medical training involves a lot of unnecessary > >> >> > > > > > > > > rot. > >> >> > > > > > > > > Some of us think machines are better at 'thinking' than > >> >> > > > > > > > > most > >> >> > > > people > >> >> > > > > > > > > (soon Gabby will be made redundant from her Gad-fly > >> >> > > > > > > > > role > >> >> > once I > >> >> > > > > > clear > >> >> > > > > > > > > up a few teething problems with the bots!), partly > >> >> > > > > > > > > because > >> >> > no > >> >> > > > human > >> >> > > > > > > > > can encompass the data loads. Allan and I share > >> >> > > > > > > > > problems > >> >> > with > >> >> > > > our > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
