All Gods that *religious* men speak about, brandish shall we say, are false.
The one distributing those "commandments" included. Which is not what I would say about individuals who take initiatives to restrict people from moral turpitude and unethical conduct. On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:01:46 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote: > > doesn't one of the commandments say something about false gods? > Allan > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > Thank you, Vam- I hope it is another precious visit. > > > > Politics has become a "religion", as well. Just substitue a few words > > in your paragraph. :-) > > > > On Oct 13, 5:38 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Rigs, I can't help but think of the presence of a daughter and her > family > >> as " Happy Times " with grand-daughters ... noise, play, shout, > request, > >> demand and irritate, reminisce and gossip ,,, ! Hope it acrually turns > to > >> be a happy interlude . > >> > >> I have no doubts about severely debilitating and cosmic effects of > >> religions that junk reason and humanity, and demand their adherents too > to > >> remain steadfast with the irrational. An institutional frame of clerics > and > >> clergy for global control is no more than a prison, covered with very > >> beguiling but false promise of freedom. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: > >> > >> > Not sure if religion, cults, tribal mischief did not have the same > >> > effect Vam. Consider the countless wars, for instance. But I think > >> > western man has turn the Age of Machines into a new religion and one > >> > could draw many parallels- and has, via artists and authors. Anyway, > >> > after spending way too much time finding a new niche for my morning > >> > coffee maker before my daughter and two grand-daughters come for the > >> > Xmas holidays (!), I have certainly racked up the equivalent of a > >> > novena! BTW, a couple of years ago I noticed my feet were slightly > >> > stiff in the morning and I worried that my flight to the kitchen for > a > >> > mug of coffee could be perilous so I bought one of those small coffee > >> > makers for the upstairs and now include a muffin- just to rev up the > >> > joints before I seize the day. :-) Anyway, this might be a good idea > >> > for any who need to warm/rev up. (This is my machine confession.) On > >> > the other hand, I have been negotiating with the Divine for a new > lawn/ > >> > snow guy and I am on the brink of success! lol > >> > >> > On Oct 11, 6:28 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > Bingo ! * sounding the drums * > >> > >> > > But what gives it the merit also renders science blind to much that > is > >> > > essential to our humanity, which are abstract and non-material ... > >> > beauty, > >> > > ethics, morals, truth, compassion, happiness, love, etc. > >> > >> > > Albert Einstein expressed is eloquently ... as have several others. > >> > >> > > There has been much since science overwhelmed us. But everytime it > has > >> > > served to delete a part or measure of our humanity, mankind has > struck a > >> > > blow at its own foot ! > >> > >> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:46:04 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: > >> > >> > > > I wasn't clear. I was thinking about new ideas and inventions > which > >> > > > made older ideas and inventions obsolete or mere stepping stones > to a > >> > > > greater truth. Science seems more open to changes and advances > for the > >> > > > most part though Darwin had a struggle but that was because he > stepped > >> > > > into religious territory which might mean that we are more open > to > >> > > > change when it does not involve emotions and beliefs versus > >> > > > demonstrable facts. > >> > >> > > > On Oct 9, 9:08 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > It will still be more clever than the rest ! > >> > >> > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-) > >> > >> > > > > > On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > " Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed > to > >> > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans > for > >> > > > specific > >> > > > > > > acts or purposes ... " > >> > >> > > > > > > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man, > >> > >> > > > > > > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been > programmed > >> > >> > > > > > > but it would be more clever than every other man on the > planet ! > >> > >> > > > > > > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > And certain ants have also figured out how to enter the > honey > >> > bee > >> > > > as a > >> > > > > > > > parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination. > Species > >> > pick > >> > > > up > >> > > > > > > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more > dedicated- > >> > > > patterns > >> > > > > > > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating worth > with > >> > money/ > >> > > > > > > > salary?//Machines are only as clever as they have been > >> > programmed > >> > > > to > >> > > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans > for > >> > > > specific > >> > > > > > > > acts or purposes but still short of general intelligence, > >> > insight > >> > > > and > >> > > > > > > > adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily "lousey" except > the > >> > final > >> > > > > > > > chapter is death and certain goals were not realized or > >> > possible. > >> > > > Hard > >> > > > > > > > work/age does not create arthritis- that is a myth. The > 12 > >> > year > >> > > > old > >> > > > > > > > across the street has arthritis and started some exercise > for > >> > > > > > > > violinists. > >> > >> > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > The archaeological evidence is that such things as the > move > >> > to > >> > > > > > farming > >> > > > > > > > > from hunter-gathering did not improve the human lot for > >> > those > >> > > > who > >> > > > > > > > > cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the work). > The > >> > obvious > >> > > > > > issue > >> > > > > > > > > for present society concerns the dubious status of our > work > >> > and > >> > > > > > life- > >> > > > > > > > > style ideologies. Slave-making ants kill the adults > in > >> > their > >> > > > host > >> > > > > > > > > ants and steal the 'eggs' in order to steal the work as > they > >> > > > become > >> > > > > > > > > adult by making them raise their own brood. Even in > >> > enslaved > >> > > > ant > >> > > > > > > > > consciousness something inspires 'rebellion' and 'duty' > to > >> > the > >> > > > wider > >> > > > > > > > > collective. Humans have a sad history of enslavement > and > >> > debt > >> > > > > > > > > peonage. > >> > > > > > > > > Undergraduates can be heard every year bemoaning > salaries on > >> > > > offer > >> > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > 'all their hard work' - few of them have done any! The > >> > Chinese > >> > > > > > refer > >> > > > > > > > > to their graduates who don't get the good jobs as 'Ant > >> > People'. > >> > > > > > Some > >> > > > > > > > > of my old colleagues inside technological manufacturing > used > >> > to > >> > > > note > >> > > > > > > > > the need for workers was disappearing faster than most > knew > >> > as > >> > > > work > >> > > > > > > > > and skill is embodied in technology (an old marxist > theme). > >> > My > >> > > > own > >> > > > > > > > > feeling is that we have killed off much valuable stuff > that > >> > > > James > >> > > > > > > > > suggests through the ejukation system - falsely > imagining > >> > > > subjects > >> > > > > > > > > designed in our dubious past teach anything other than > >> > control > >> > > > > > fraud. > >> > > > > > > > > Even medical training involves a lot of unnecessary > rot. > >> > > > > > > > > Some of us think machines are better at 'thinking' than > most > >> > > > people > >> > > > > > > > > (soon Gabby will be made redundant from her Gad-fly > role > >> > once I > >> > > > > > clear > >> > > > > > > > > up a few teething problems with the bots!), partly > because > >> > no > >> > > > human > >> > > > > > > > > can encompass the data loads. Allan and I share > problems > >> > with > >> > > > our > >> > > > > > > > > 'flash memory' - buzz, ping, PTSD etc. - (it's my time > of > >> > year > >> > > > to > >> > > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > > flash-backs to Northern Ireland) - getting old is lousy > - > >> > soon > >> > > > my > >> > > > > > > > > friendly solid state world will move from Enlightenment > to > >> > > > > > > > > Entanglement as I stroke Schrodinger's cat. We have > now > >> > done > >> > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > experimentally with some tinkering. > >> > > > > > > > > Memory is increasingly viewed as about our ability to > >> > predict > >> > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > future - that is its purpose is for this. We find it > in > >> > > > non-human > >> > > > > > > > > life-forms too. This is related to a general > science-view > >> > of > >> > > > why a > >> > > > > > > > > system would invest in the resources to have memory at > all. > >> > > > I'll > >> > > > > > > > > leave this babble with the question 'where do the > Spartacus > >> > ants > >> > > > > > > > > raised by the slavers get the memories that inspire > >> > rebellion'? > >> > >> > > > > > > > > On 6 Oct, 19:50, James <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From another perspective one might like to > appreciate the > >> > > > role > >> > > > > > (or a > >> > > > > > > > > > role) of life as within an integral spectrum. If > there is > >> > a > >> > > > world > >> > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > > meaning beyond our conceptions it would present a > >> > challenge to > >> > > > > > > > undertake > >> > > > > > > > > > exploration and discovery. Regardless of conception > or > >> > outside > >> > > > our > >> > > > > > > > > > capacity we might be bound by greater rules in > nature. > >> > These > >> > > > are > >> > > > > > > > > > questions I think that arise when the suspicion of > being > >> > led > >> > > > > > becomes > >> > > > > > > > too > >> > > > > > > > > > great to ignore, fear has a corrupting influence on > that > >> > as > >> > > > does > >> > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > diverse symbols at our disposal provided by language, > >> > > > corrupting > >> > > > > > as in > >> > > > > > > > > > coloring and distorting. But the tools of identity, > shared > >> > > > > > language > >> > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > meanings can facilitate discovery. Internal motives > can > >> > > > present a > >> > > > > > > > > > struggle for a clear picture, and yet without them > what > >> > > > impetus > >> > > > > > would > >> > > > > > > > > > there be? Context is amazingly significant, the when > and > >> > > > where, > >> > > > > > I've > >> > > > > > > > > > found. That is in part a few features of what I am > >> > exploring > >> > > > > > > > currently, > >> > > > > > > > > > among the jumble. This can be intimate stuff, thanks > for > >> > > > sharing > >> > > > > > what > >> > > > > > > > > > you gather. :) > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On 10/5/2012 4:25 AM, Allan H wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Lately I have been trying to get out of this > physical > >> > > > concept of > >> > >> ... > >> > >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > --
