It is better a millstone be tied around their neck and be thrown into the sea... Or some thing like that. They are to busy worshiping their gods of wealth and power to pay attention to the date of their souls. Allan
Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly On Oct 15, 2012 10:36 AM, "Vam" <[email protected]> wrote: > All Gods that *religious* men speak about, brandish shall we say, are > false. > > The one distributing those "commandments" included. > > Which is not what I would say about individuals who take initiatives to > restrict people from moral turpitude and unethical conduct. > > > On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:01:46 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> doesn't one of the commandments say something about false gods? >> Allan >> >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Thank you, Vam- I hope it is another precious visit. >> > >> > Politics has become a "religion", as well. Just substitue a few words >> > in your paragraph. :-) >> > >> > On Oct 13, 5:38 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Rigs, I can't help but think of the presence of a daughter and her >> family >> >> as " Happy Times " with grand-daughters ... noise, play, shout, >> request, >> >> demand and irritate, reminisce and gossip ,,, ! Hope it acrually turns >> to >> >> be a happy interlude . >> >> >> >> I have no doubts about severely debilitating and cosmic effects of >> >> religions that junk reason and humanity, and demand their adherents >> too to >> >> remain steadfast with the irrational. An institutional frame of >> clerics and >> >> clergy for global control is no more than a prison, covered with very >> >> beguiling but false promise of freedom. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> >> >> > Not sure if religion, cults, tribal mischief did not have the same >> >> > effect Vam. Consider the countless wars, for instance. But I think >> >> > western man has turn the Age of Machines into a new religion and one >> >> > could draw many parallels- and has, via artists and authors. Anyway, >> >> > after spending way too much time finding a new niche for my morning >> >> > coffee maker before my daughter and two grand-daughters come for the >> >> > Xmas holidays (!), I have certainly racked up the equivalent of a >> >> > novena! BTW, a couple of years ago I noticed my feet were slightly >> >> > stiff in the morning and I worried that my flight to the kitchen for >> a >> >> > mug of coffee could be perilous so I bought one of those small >> coffee >> >> > makers for the upstairs and now include a muffin- just to rev up the >> >> > joints before I seize the day. :-) Anyway, this might be a good idea >> >> > for any who need to warm/rev up. (This is my machine confession.) On >> >> > the other hand, I have been negotiating with the Divine for a new >> lawn/ >> >> > snow guy and I am on the brink of success! lol >> >> >> >> > On Oct 11, 6:28 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > Bingo ! * sounding the drums * >> >> >> >> > > But what gives it the merit also renders science blind to much >> that is >> >> > > essential to our humanity, which are abstract and non-material ... >> >> > beauty, >> >> > > ethics, morals, truth, compassion, happiness, love, etc. >> >> >> >> > > Albert Einstein expressed is eloquently ... as have several >> others. >> >> >> >> > > There has been much since science overwhelmed us. But everytime it >> has >> >> > > served to delete a part or measure of our humanity, mankind has >> struck a >> >> > > blow at its own foot ! >> >> >> >> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:46:04 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > I wasn't clear. I was thinking about new ideas and inventions >> which >> >> > > > made older ideas and inventions obsolete or mere stepping stones >> to a >> >> > > > greater truth. Science seems more open to changes and advances >> for the >> >> > > > most part though Darwin had a struggle but that was because he >> stepped >> >> > > > into religious territory which might mean that we are more open >> to >> >> > > > change when it does not involve emotions and beliefs versus >> >> > > > demonstrable facts. >> >> >> >> > > > On Oct 9, 9:08 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > It will still be more clever than the rest ! >> >> >> >> > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > > > Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-) >> >> >> >> > > > > > On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > " Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed >> to >> >> > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans >> for >> >> > > > specific >> >> > > > > > > acts or purposes ... " >> >> >> >> > > > > > > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man, >> >> >> >> > > > > > > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been >> programmed >> >> >> >> > > > > > > but it would be more clever than every other man on the >> planet ! >> >> >> >> > > > > > > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > And certain ants have also figured out how to enter the >> honey >> >> > bee >> >> > > > as a >> >> > > > > > > > parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination. >> Species >> >> > pick >> >> > > > up >> >> > > > > > > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more >> dedicated- >> >> > > > patterns >> >> > > > > > > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating worth >> with >> >> > money/ >> >> > > > > > > > salary?//Machines are only as clever as they have been >> >> > programmed >> >> > > > to >> >> > > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans >> for >> >> > > > specific >> >> > > > > > > > acts or purposes but still short of general >> intelligence, >> >> > insight >> >> > > > and >> >> > > > > > > > adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily "lousey" except >> the >> >> > final >> >> > > > > > > > chapter is death and certain goals were not realized or >> >> > possible. >> >> > > > Hard >> >> > > > > > > > work/age does not create arthritis- that is a myth. The >> 12 >> >> > year >> >> > > > old >> >> > > > > > > > across the street has arthritis and started some >> exercise for >> >> > > > > > > > violinists. >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > The archaeological evidence is that such things as the >> move >> >> > to >> >> > > > > > farming >> >> > > > > > > > > from hunter-gathering did not improve the human lot >> for >> >> > those >> >> > > > who >> >> > > > > > > > > cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the work). >> The >> >> > obvious >> >> > > > > > issue >> >> > > > > > > > > for present society concerns the dubious status of our >> work >> >> > and >> >> > > > > > life- >> >> > > > > > > > > style ideologies. Slave-making ants kill the adults >> in >> >> > their >> >> > > > host >> >> > > > > > > > > ants and steal the 'eggs' in order to steal the work >> as they >> >> > > > become >> >> > > > > > > > > adult by making them raise their own brood. Even in >> >> > enslaved >> >> > > > ant >> >> > > > > > > > > consciousness something inspires 'rebellion' and >> 'duty' to >> >> > the >> >> > > > wider >> >> > > > > > > > > collective. Humans have a sad history of enslavement >> and >> >> > debt >> >> > > > > > > > > peonage. >> >> > > > > > > > > Undergraduates can be heard every year bemoaning >> salaries on >> >> > > > offer >> >> > > > > > for >> >> > > > > > > > > 'all their hard work' - few of them have done any! >> The >> >> > Chinese >> >> > > > > > refer >> >> > > > > > > > > to their graduates who don't get the good jobs as 'Ant >> >> > People'. >> >> > > > > > Some >> >> > > > > > > > > of my old colleagues inside technological >> manufacturing used >> >> > to >> >> > > > note >> >> > > > > > > > > the need for workers was disappearing faster than most >> knew >> >> > as >> >> > > > work >> >> > > > > > > > > and skill is embodied in technology (an old marxist >> theme). >> >> > My >> >> > > > own >> >> > > > > > > > > feeling is that we have killed off much valuable stuff >> that >> >> > > > James >> >> > > > > > > > > suggests through the ejukation system - falsely >> imagining >> >> > > > subjects >> >> > > > > > > > > designed in our dubious past teach anything other than >> >> > control >> >> > > > > > fraud. >> >> > > > > > > > > Even medical training involves a lot of unnecessary >> rot. >> >> > > > > > > > > Some of us think machines are better at 'thinking' >> than most >> >> > > > people >> >> > > > > > > > > (soon Gabby will be made redundant from her Gad-fly >> role >> >> > once I >> >> > > > > > clear >> >> > > > > > > > > up a few teething problems with the bots!), partly >> because >> >> > no >> >> > > > human >> >> > > > > > > > > can encompass the data loads. Allan and I share >> problems >> >> > with >> >> > > > our >> >> > > > > > > > > 'flash memory' - buzz, ping, PTSD etc. - (it's my time >> of >> >> > year >> >> > > > to >> >> > > > > > have >> >> > > > > > > > > flash-backs to Northern Ireland) - getting old is >> lousy - >> >> > soon >> >> > > > my >> >> > > > > > > > > friendly solid state world will move from >> Enlightenment to >> >> > > > > > > > > Entanglement as I stroke Schrodinger's cat. We have >> now >> >> > done >> >> > > > this >> >> > > > > > > > > experimentally with some tinkering. >> >> > > > > > > > > Memory is increasingly viewed as about our ability to >> >> > predict >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > > > > > > future - that is its purpose is for this. We find it >> in >> >> > > > non-human >> >> > > > > > > > > life-forms too. This is related to a general >> science-view >> >> > of >> >> > > > why a >> >> > > > > > > > > system would invest in the resources to have memory at >> all. >> >> > > > I'll >> >> > > > > > > > > leave this babble with the question 'where do the >> Spartacus >> >> > ants >> >> > > > > > > > > raised by the slavers get the memories that inspire >> >> > rebellion'? >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > On 6 Oct, 19:50, James <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From another perspective one might like to >> appreciate the >> >> > > > role >> >> > > > > > (or a >> >> > > > > > > > > > role) of life as within an integral spectrum. If >> there is >> >> > a >> >> > > > world >> >> > > > > > with >> >> > > > > > > > > > meaning beyond our conceptions it would present a >> >> > challenge to >> >> > > > > > > > undertake >> >> > > > > > > > > > exploration and discovery. Regardless of conception >> or >> >> > outside >> >> > > > our >> >> > > > > > > > > > capacity we might be bound by greater rules in >> nature. >> >> > These >> >> > > > are >> >> > > > > > > > > > questions I think that arise when the suspicion of >> being >> >> > led >> >> > > > > > becomes >> >> > > > > > > > too >> >> > > > > > > > > > great to ignore, fear has a corrupting influence on >> that >> >> > as >> >> > > > does >> >> > > > > > the >> >> > > > > > > > > > diverse symbols at our disposal provided by >> language, >> >> > > > corrupting >> >> > > > > > as in >> >> > > > > > > > > > coloring and distorting. But the tools of identity, >> shared >> >> > > > > > language >> >> > > > > > > > and >> >> > > > > > > > > > meanings can facilitate discovery. Internal motives >> can >> >> > > > present a >> >> > > > > > > > > > struggle for a clear picture, and yet without them >> what >> >> > > > impetus >> >> > > > > > would >> >> > > > > > > > > > there be? Context is amazingly significant, the when >> and >> >> > > > where, >> >> > > > > > I've >> >> > > > > > > > > > found. That is in part a few features of what I am >> >> > exploring >> >> > > > > > > > currently, >> >> > > > > > > > > > among the jumble. This can be intimate stuff, thanks >> for >> >> > > > sharing >> >> > > > > > what >> >> > > > > > > > > > you gather. :) >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > On 10/5/2012 4:25 AM, Allan H wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Lately I have been trying to get out of this >> physical >> >> > > > concept of >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >> I am a Natural Airgunner - >> >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. >> > -- > > > > --
