I still disagree. That analogy makes no sense. Your car will definitely need oil changes. Updating the product that they create is up to their discretion. Also, the easy fix in your scenario would be to pay for your oil change elsewhere. This also can't be done with the product we are talking about without further agreement which may be in the works for all we know.
It doesn't guarantee the release of updates, it guarantees that we will have access to any that come out. Justin Hansen On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:28 PM, NokNok Developer <[email protected]>wrote: > I dont know about that. If Im a consumer, looking to build .NET apps on > MonoDroid, and I purchased MonoDroid last week, my expectation from the site > is that I am paying for a product which includes 1 year of updates. > > If in fact, their is no-one to make such updates, nor is their "an intent" > to provide updates over the year, then that my friend is fraud. > > So if they do not establish they HAVE intent, then in fact it would be like > me selling you my car, with a year free oil changes, but I have no place to > do the oil changes, i have no employees to do the oil changes, i have no > intention of ever giving you an oil change. > > > > > On 5/17/2011 3:09 PM, Justin Hansen wrote: > > They have not killed the product yet. They just got rid of the team. They > haven't said they won't get a new team. Also, their product still works. > > They def haven't committed any fraud yet. > > I'm just as angry as the rest of you, I am just pointing out that all the > conclusions that are being jumped to (that Attachment owes us something or > fraud) just aren't true yet. They say we are entitled to any updates that > come out for a year. The only way there is any fraud related to that is if > an update does come out that is denied to us. They aren't guaranteeing that > they will ever come out with an update. The discount code works, no fraud > there. The product has not been officially killed for all we know they are > hiring new people to take the product in a new direction. I doubt that's the > case and wouldn't support them if they did, but since we can't prove any of > this none of the below statement is true at this point. > > Justin Hansen > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:03 PM, NokNok Developer <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I dont know here, it would be to my thinking any company selling a >> product claiming one year updates, and still providing the DISCOUNT CODE for >> existing TOUCH USERS - AFTER LETTING GO OF ENTIRE TEAM, AND KNOWINGLY KILLED >> THE PRODUCT - would be constituted as consumer fraud... >> >> Which all did occur... >> >> >> >> >> On 5/17/2011 2:59 PM, Justin Hansen wrote: >> >> I agree, I'm saying that Attachment has no obligation to us. >> >> Justin Hansen >> >> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Natalia Portillo <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> El 17/05/2011, a las 16:55, Justin Hansen escribió: >>> >>> >From my standpoint if monotouch doesn't come with guaranteed support why >>> should they be obligated to do so? Esspecially since we agreed that they >>> don't in the contract. I know that you can't have a contract that negates a >>> law but there is no law that says a company must provide user support. >>> >>> That being said I'm from the U.S. so I can't speak to anything outside >>> this country. I just know my lawyer pointed out that clause in 10 minutes >>> and asked me about promised support. >>> >>> >>> You still have the "one year of updates" >>> >>> Justin Hansen >>> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I spoke with a lawyer in brazil (where consumer rights are one of the >>>> strongest) and he said that the above term is absurd... >>>> >>>> He said that a process can take really a long to court decide, but can >>>> be a good pression. As I live in brasil, if I make something with Novell, I >>>> will do here. So each one must do, I think, on tis living country. >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> From: Justin Hansen <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:47:56 -0400 >>>> To: Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [MonoTouch] SPAM-LOW: Re: So..... what happens now? >>>> >>>> Out of curiosity does monotouch come with one year of support or just >>>> one year of upgrades? See below: >>>> MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT >>>> >>>> Novell has no obligation to provide support or maintenance unless You >>>> purchase an offering that expressly includes support or maintenance >>>> services. If You make such a purchase and no separate agreement >>>> specifically applies to the support or maintenance services, then the terms >>>> of this Agreement will govern the provision of such support or maintenance >>>> services (“Services“). For more information on Novell's current support >>>> offerings, see http://www.novell.com/support. >>>> >>>> I can't see where on the site it says anything about guaranteed >>>> support. >>>> >>>> Justin Hansen >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe that… >>>>> >>>>> Karl >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Justin Hansen >>>> http://www.klickwerx.com >>>> Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Justin Hansen >>> http://www.klickwerx.com >>> Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MonoTouch mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Justin Hansen >> http://www.klickwerx.com >> Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MonoTouch mailing >> [email protected]http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MonoTouch mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >> >> > > > -- > Justin Hansen > http://www.klickwerx.com > Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb > > -- Justin Hansen http://www.klickwerx.com Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb
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