> > They have not killed the product yet.
Which is a very real problem if they're still selling it given that.. > They just got rid of the team. Just? the reason why you would choose to develop software on a platform is that it remains a well-supported option They haven't said they won't get a new team. How can they possibly get a new team? all their expertise on the product has now vanished. This is not a drop-in tech for .NET devs on the street to fill. No Mono team means MonoTouch/MonoDroid will never be properly supported Also, their product still works. Where do we file bugs? and who will resolve them? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Justin Hansen <[email protected]> wrote: > I still disagree. That analogy makes no sense. Your car will definitely > need oil changes. Updating the product that they create is up to their > discretion. Also, the easy fix in your scenario would be to pay for your oil > change elsewhere. This also can't be done with the product we are talking > about without further agreement which may be in the works for all we know. > > It doesn't guarantee the release of updates, it guarantees that we will > have access to any that come out. > > Justin Hansen > > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:28 PM, NokNok Developer <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I dont know about that. If Im a consumer, looking to build .NET apps on >> MonoDroid, and I purchased MonoDroid last week, my expectation from the site >> is that I am paying for a product which includes 1 year of updates. >> >> If in fact, their is no-one to make such updates, nor is their "an intent" >> to provide updates over the year, then that my friend is fraud. >> >> So if they do not establish they HAVE intent, then in fact it would be >> like me selling you my car, with a year free oil changes, but I have no >> place to do the oil changes, i have no employees to do the oil changes, i >> have no intention of ever giving you an oil change. >> >> >> >> >> On 5/17/2011 3:09 PM, Justin Hansen wrote: >> >> They have not killed the product yet. They just got rid of the team. They >> haven't said they won't get a new team. Also, their product still works. >> >> They def haven't committed any fraud yet. >> >> I'm just as angry as the rest of you, I am just pointing out that all the >> conclusions that are being jumped to (that Attachment owes us something or >> fraud) just aren't true yet. They say we are entitled to any updates that >> come out for a year. The only way there is any fraud related to that is if >> an update does come out that is denied to us. They aren't guaranteeing that >> they will ever come out with an update. The discount code works, no fraud >> there. The product has not been officially killed for all we know they are >> hiring new people to take the product in a new direction. I doubt that's the >> case and wouldn't support them if they did, but since we can't prove any of >> this none of the below statement is true at this point. >> >> Justin Hansen >> >> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:03 PM, NokNok Developer >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I dont know here, it would be to my thinking any company selling a >>> product claiming one year updates, and still providing the DISCOUNT CODE for >>> existing TOUCH USERS - AFTER LETTING GO OF ENTIRE TEAM, AND KNOWINGLY KILLED >>> THE PRODUCT - would be constituted as consumer fraud... >>> >>> Which all did occur... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/17/2011 2:59 PM, Justin Hansen wrote: >>> >>> I agree, I'm saying that Attachment has no obligation to us. >>> >>> Justin Hansen >>> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Natalia Portillo >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> El 17/05/2011, a las 16:55, Justin Hansen escribió: >>>> >>>> >From my standpoint if monotouch doesn't come with guaranteed support >>>> why should they be obligated to do so? Esspecially since we agreed that >>>> they >>>> don't in the contract. I know that you can't have a contract that negates a >>>> law but there is no law that says a company must provide user support. >>>> >>>> That being said I'm from the U.S. so I can't speak to anything outside >>>> this country. I just know my lawyer pointed out that clause in 10 minutes >>>> and asked me about promised support. >>>> >>>> >>>> You still have the "one year of updates" >>>> >>>> Justin Hansen >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I spoke with a lawyer in brazil (where consumer rights are one of the >>>>> strongest) and he said that the above term is absurd... >>>>> >>>>> He said that a process can take really a long to court decide, but >>>>> can be a good pression. As I live in brasil, if I make something with >>>>> Novell, I will do here. So each one must do, I think, on tis living >>>>> country. >>>>> >>>>> Karl >>>>> >>>>> From: Justin Hansen <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:47:56 -0400 >>>>> To: Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [MonoTouch] SPAM-LOW: Re: So..... what happens now? >>>>> >>>>> Out of curiosity does monotouch come with one year of support or just >>>>> one year of upgrades? See below: >>>>> MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT >>>>> >>>>> Novell has no obligation to provide support or maintenance unless You >>>>> purchase an offering that expressly includes support or maintenance >>>>> services. If You make such a purchase and no separate agreement >>>>> specifically applies to the support or maintenance services, then the >>>>> terms >>>>> of this Agreement will govern the provision of such support or maintenance >>>>> services (“Services“). For more information on Novell's current support >>>>> offerings, see http://www.novell.com/support. >>>>> >>>>> I can't see where on the site it says anything about guaranteed >>>>> support. >>>>> >>>>> Justin Hansen >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe that… >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Justin Hansen >>>>> http://www.klickwerx.com >>>>> Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Justin Hansen >>>> http://www.klickwerx.com >>>> Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Justin Hansen >>> http://www.klickwerx.com >>> Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MonoTouch mailing >>> [email protected]http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MonoTouch mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Justin Hansen >> http://www.klickwerx.com >> Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb >> >> > > > -- > Justin Hansen > http://www.klickwerx.com > Need some technology help? - http://www.betterfly.com/LearnTheWeb > > > _______________________________________________ > MonoTouch mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch > > -- - Demis http://twitter.com/demisbellot http://www.servicestack.net/mythz_blog
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