[SA]
Here's a question I believe Ron came up with as
follows:
The MoQ states Quality is before subjects and objects, and Ron
asked why couldn't subjects and objects come before Quality.
[ron]
I stated subject object value(quality) are one. Pirsig placed
value(quality) before subject and object in the SODV paper
and supported what Dan stated that ideas actually do come before matter.
I questioned how literal does he mean this?
is he saying that ideas create matter scientificly? If he does mean
this, doesent this concept then render ultimate
reality as subjective in origin?. I went to the extreme with the notion
of a solopsism lying in this direction among
a host of other misinterpetations that would be easily derived from
this.
I simply offer the possibility that the reason for the paradox is the
fact that experience itself is distinction
and that a pure abstract concept with no relational terms is impossible
to convey or speakabout for it can not be
defined nor measured. It can only be described in terms of distinction.
SOM through mathmatic formal logic assumes distinction is measureble and
predictable.
MOQ realizes that all is one and indestinct, the are no absolutes and
strays from making
assumption when dealing with distinction.
so to propose an objective relevence leads to all sorts of assumptions
once stated that subjects objects value are one, seperating any of these
is
leading back down the path of distinction.
[SA]
So, I was trying to wrap my head around this, and it was difficult
for me to get a footing on understanding this question. Then I came up
with this statement and question. I really don't have a way to
understand this statement or question at this time, if anybody else
wants to approach this, feel free.
If Quality doesn't come before subjects and objects, then that
would mean subjects and objects can exist without any quality, right?
Is this possible?
(To say subjects and objects can have no quality is to give a quality
measurement I would add, correct?)
thoughts?
SA
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