Hi all Of course the term quality refers to the way experience is full of differentiations, differentiations that are given without any effort on our part, i.e. what is good and what is bad experience to begin with.
All our differentiations that go beyond direct qualities are real too, but they are uncovered and are probably infinite in extent. Such is the richness of experience. This is how a horse can become a dinner, a sporting partner, a means of transport, an object of beauty, or a weapon of mass destruction. David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: no quality? > hiya, > > --- david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ron Kulp said: >> ...Pirsig placed value (quality) before subject and >> object in the SODV paper >> and supported what Dan stated - that ideas actually >> do come before matter. I >> questioned how literal does he mean this? Is he >> saying that ideas create >> matter scientifically? If he does mean this, doesn't >> this concept then >> render ultimate reality as subjective in origin? ... > > i think ideas do create conceptual reality. that is > anything that is an object has become an object > because it has been designated as such - by an idea. > > so yes ideas do create matter. matter is an object. > > prior to conceptual reality is the undifferentiated > flux of the present. conceptual reality is > *abstracted* from this flux. this abstraction is a > mental process. a process of ideation. > > the reality we live in most of the time is conceptual > reality - the result of social pressures. > > undifferentiated reality is an immersive experience > which occurs regularly but fleetingly during our days. > extending the duration of immersion is the whole ball > game as far as i can tell. conceptual reality loses > its authority the more time one spends in a meditative > state. a peaceful soul and by extension a peaceful > world are the result. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
