hiya,
--- david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ron Kulp said:
> ...Pirsig placed value (quality) before subject and
> object in the SODV paper
> and supported what Dan stated - that ideas actually
> do come before matter. I
> questioned how literal does he mean this? Is he
> saying that ideas create
> matter scientifically? If he does mean this, doesn't
> this concept then
> render ultimate reality as subjective in origin? ...
i think ideas do create conceptual reality. that is
anything that is an object has become an object
because it has been designated as such - by an idea.
so yes ideas do create matter. matter is an object.
prior to conceptual reality is the undifferentiated
flux of the present. conceptual reality is
*abstracted* from this flux. this abstraction is a
mental process. a process of ideation.
the reality we live in most of the time is conceptual
reality - the result of social pressures.
undifferentiated reality is an immersive experience
which occurs regularly but fleetingly during our days.
extending the duration of immersion is the whole ball
game as far as i can tell. conceptual reality loses
its authority the more time one spends in a meditative
state. a peaceful soul and by extension a peaceful
world are the result.
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