[SA]
You notice which points that I mention I'm not sure about.
Explanation would help. I'm still not convinced that s and o is
necessary to explain reality, though.
thanks.
[Ron]
I venture to propose that subject object distinction, or distinction of
any kind
IS experience. If no distinction, no experience. I understand Pirsig as
saying
s/o distinction was invented by the greeks. I tend to disagree. I
understand
Pirsig as saying that immediate experience is non differentiated. I
tend to disagree.
I maintain to sense anything experientially it must be differentiated or
else
we would sense nothing at all. A blank. I ask how does cultural values
and norms
conjure up from nothing, perceptual reality?
by what I understand Pirsig is saying, the universe was created by the
greeks
when SOM was invented.
I think s/o distinction and SOM are different
aspects of the same phenomena. I think exclusive focus on value is just
as
limited as exclusive focus on objects or exclusive focus on subjects or
exclusive focus on subjects and objects.
when the three are in harmony and balanced they are all equally real.
objective reality is real, subjective experience is real and Quality
that binds, envelopes, creates and destroys is real. they are one.
distinction is experience. experience is quality. quality is
distinction.
SOM omitts value and is limited
MOQ diminishes s/o and elevates value and I feel is limited also
when value manifests itself in thought it is subjective in nature.
to then place this subjective manifestation before s o
reveals a subjectivly moral objective universe. and you have
SOM turned inside out with the focus on the subjective in lieu
of the objective.
If Pirsig truly dropped SOM then he would not have gone on
to propose how atoms prefer other atoms or how betterness
drives the universe. He would have left it with subjects
objects Quality are one. This one is the source of all.
every last bit. this one is undefineable. but it is usefull
to view it as subjects objects and value in it's balance.
this balance being the metaphysics of quality.
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