[Ian] But see my point about purely aesthetic music too - without intellectual symbology.
[Arlo] I think this may be, as I said to Steve, a result of differing meanings for "symbols", but I find it impossible to imagine "music" without "intellectual symbology". Even John Cage's long passages of silence are the willful, intellectual manipulating of symbols with the intent to represent specific cultural associations. Now, of course, there is the "music of nature", the "song" we hear as we walk in the woods, and as such the aesthetic experience is formed from the construction of disparate rather than ordered symbolic associations. But the aesthetic experience derives no less from the catalyzing effect of symbolic associations than that which derives from a fugue or a well-maintained motorcycle. I also take some disagreement with your pairing "aesthetic music". Music is the arrangement of sound-symbols (mostly), that does not contain the aesthetic. Thus there is no "aesthetic music as contrasted with non-aesthetic music", there is only "music" which may or may not induce an aesthetic experience. And music that induces an aesthetic experience in me (Joy Division, for example) may not in you (if you are a Joy Division fan, be sure to catch the new black and white film depicting Ian Curtis' life and death). Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
