[Steve]
> > I can't think of what meaning a meta-level of the
> MOQ would have while
> > thinking of the levels as types of patterns of
> value.
[Peter]
> So Steve are you saying that there are no
> possibilities for thinking outside
> of social and intellectual constraints?
[SA currently]
Look at how your asking this. "...no
possibilities for THINKING outside... INTELLECTUAL..."
(caps for emphasis on point of discussion). This is
why people get stuck on this type of discussion.
Pete, you know there are people that label thinking
with intellectual, so how can one think outside of
intellect? Of course, you've already defined
intellectual as a certain type of thinking, so, now
your trying to get outside of that type of thinking by
stating there are possiblities of thinking outside of
intellect. This is all semanics. At the baseline of
where the meanings are being discussed something is
happening, but trying to fit a discussion that might
be constructive inside of pre-existing labels has
everybody fall right back into their pre-conceptions.
Notice your trying to talk about a 'thinking outside
of intellect', but what you really are saying, it
seems, is a 'thinking outside of s/o', and haven't
people allowed for this 'thinking outside of s/o' by
stating intellect can have more than one pattern
(thus, is not just s/o), but your then go back and
defend intellect is s/o and never really get your foot
off the ground in discovering what this 'thinking
outside of s/o' is. It doesn't matter what level or
how you define intellect - just talk about this
'thinking outside of s/o'. I've asked Bo to do this
and he can't, but you seem to think it's possible. So
do it.
[Peter]
> Each level developed out of the
> limitations of the immediate supporting level. There
> must have been a stage
> when the evolution of the intellectual level was in
> it's infancy. If SOM is
> the characteristic of intellectual thought is there
> not possible a kind of
> thought that operates from a better perspective?
[SA currently]
See here, your just trying to make the levels
concretely labeled, but you don't actually discuss
what this better perspective is and what "kind of
thought that operates from a better perspective". So
what is this "thought" of yours?
SA
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