> Ron replied:
> ...No doubt it is by Radical empiricism and
> Pragmatism that MoQ must operate within the cultural
> context. To gain acceptance it must prove useful.
> Otherwise it remains a mystical allusion, wouldn't
> you say?
>
> dmb says:
> Firstly, I'd say that it is impossible to avoid
> operating with the cultural context. We simply have
> no choice about that. Pragmatism and radical
> empiricism is mainstream American philosophy so
> that, yes, it is an excellent way to make the MOQ
> "acceptable". This alignment with James and Dewey is
> also what makes the mysticism work in an
> "acceptable" way. There is nothing supernatural or
> faith-based about this philosophical mysticism. It
> is based on direct everyday experience. But I fail
> to see how any of this is related to my complaint
> about the MOQ existing on some "meta-level". The
> idea that we have to invent a whole new level of
> reality in order to make a place for Pirsig's ideas
> is nonsense. There are good ideas, bad ideas, old
> ideas and new ideas. Why should this be a problem?
SA: dmb, I made this same point over and over
again. I don't see what the mix-up, confusion, or
need to revise the moq due to somebodies
unsatisfication or learning process. I guess even
being adverse to this 'meta-level' to some, makes one
labeled hostile. It seems some want to play devil's
advocate and pull people's legs. 'Direct everyday
experience' - this is the metapysics lived. The moq
is not some stale, sittin' around metaphysics. The
moq point is that it lives and breaths - how, well, I
live and breath, a rabbit lives and breaths. The moq
is accepting these live actions. The moq is accepting
lava flowing down a volcano without the need to box it
up in only intellectual concepts to make it a
philosophy. Philosophies that that want to
conceptualize everything are philosophies that one
needs to read in a book about. ZMM and Lila are
books, yes, but these are books that become more about
being letters to the world and distributing
information. But all one needs to do is live ones
life to notice what Pirsig is talking about. This is
what the whole deal is about the 'moon pointing' and
stuff. If one can only learn about the world due to
somebodies heady jargon in abstract only, then of
course people will find no use for this abstract only
stuff. It's not practical and everyday. Pirsig has a
philosophy for the person who wakes up in the morning
and goes to work at the pizza shop.
woods,
SA
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