thought outside intellect? well to keep it simple identifying the two is useful....but to keep it accurate a little qualifier may be necessary.
thought existed prior to the intellect in some way. it was a different type of thought to intellectual thought, which is SOM based. this type of thought we still experience today during those 'poincare moments'. this is thought before the breakdown of the bicameral mind (jaynes); it is the 'voice of the gods' speaking dierctly to us. for more examples of this difference compare 'the iliad' and 'the odyssey' as jaynes did. --- david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve said (I think): > Thought outside intellect is impossible because > thought and intellect are the same think. Pirsig > says that intellect is simply thinking. ...There are > certainly better and worse perspectives, but thought > is still thought. Thought doesn't turn into > something else if it's based on a better > perspective. ...But as a type of pattern of value, > to me it doesn't make sense to think of the MOQ as > anything but an intellectual pattern of value. > > dmb says: > I agree. In fact, I've been relatively polite about > it because Bo seems like such a nice guy but I have > to say that the attempt to place the MOQ in some > realm beyond intellect is just really, really dumb. > I think a person would have to ignore or > misunderstand pragmatism, radical empiricism, > philosophical mysticism and dozens of direct > statements from Pirsig in order to entertain such a > notion. I think the whole idea misses the point of > the MOQ by several lightyears. And that's exactly > what I see Bo doing. Its just impossible nonsense. > Sorry, but that's how I see it. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows > Vista® + Windows Live. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
