Hi, Steve!
I believe, as Foucault teaches us mental organization can be improved through
the power of the language. Analys and patient work together in a way
where the
human in question starts to belong to himself and, slowly, to his surrounding
universe - reaching, in a perfect world, harmony within him (her)self - a
spiritual thing, maybe and the outside environment.
Kind regards,
Fernando
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Assunto: Re: [MD] What is culture in the MOQ?
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> Hi Peter:
>
> Steve:
>>
>>> I can't think of what meaning a meta-level of the MOQ would have while
>>> thinking of the levels as types of patterns of value.
>>>
>
> Peter:
>> So Steve are you saying that there are no possibilities for thinking outside
>> of social and intellectual constraints?
>
> Steve:
> Yes. That doesn't mean that all experince is limited to inorganic,
> biological, social, and intellectual types. There is also dynamci
> experience that is unpatterned. Talking about such experience is done
> within the confined of socially maintained symbols manipulatied
> intellectually.
>
> Thought outside intellect is impossible because thought and intellect
> are the same think. Pirsig says that intellect is simply thinking.
>
>
> Peter:
>> Each level developed out of the
>> limitations of the immediate supporting level. There must have been a stage
>> when the evolution of the intellectual level was in it's infancy. If SOM is
>> the characteristic of intellectual thought is there not possible a kind of
>> thought that operates from a better perspective?
>
> Steve:
>
> There are certainly better and worse perspectives, but thought is
> still thought. Thought doesn't turn into something else if it's based
> on a better prespective.
>
> I often worry about what people mean when they talk about "levels" in
> the MOQ. It is a good word to use to highlight the establishment of
> an evolutionary hierachy of patterns of value. But these levels
> aren't to be thought of as levels of personal evolution as some seem
> to use them. As such they would be pretty useless since just about
> everybody (with the exception of brain damaged and severly mentally
> retarded people) participates in intelletcual patterns and thus
> "reaches the intellectual level."
>
> As stages of development or levels of awareness they are passed
> through very quickly. Piaget's sensory motor stage might correspond
> well with inorganic and biological awareness alone. But very soon the
> child begins to copy facial expressions and is on his way to
> participating in social patterns. Certainly by three years old,
> children are able to provide rationales for their behavior and are
> thus participating in intellectual patterns. So stages of
> development of levels of awareness don't seem to me to be a very
> useful understanding of the levels.
>
> As types of people, it may be useful to talk about whether a person
> is relatively more domninated by biological, social, or intellectual
> patterns of value as we see in the characters of Lila, Rigel, and
> Phaedrus. But when you are talking about the MOQ as a meta-level, we
> need to think about what the levels fundamentally are which is types
> of patterns of value.
>
> I suspect in your "meta-level" of the MOQ you may intend for it to be
> a level of awareness above intellectual awareness, and I think there
> may be something to that line of thought. But as a type of pattern
> of value, to me it doesn't make sense to think of the MOQ as anything
> but an intellectual pattern of value.
>
> Reagrds,
> Steve
>
>
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