Krimel: I can see we're getting no place fast, so I bow out.
Platt > [Platt] > All concepts are created by someone. > > [Krimel] > So are imaginary friends, fairy tales and paranoid delusions. > > [Platt] > Seems clear enough to me. From the author's text: "One Marxist concept > operative in multiculturism is its belief that all inequalities, including > cultural inequality, is evil. Thus, in the eyes of multiculturists all > cultures are to be equally valued." > > [Krimel] > Right this multiculturalist boogeyman that haunts your dreams may actually > be baaaad. You have simply failed to show that it actually exists in a > curriculum somewhere. Multicultural education, yes. Multiculturalism, no. > The only examples of the boogeyman version I could find seemed to be in > college courses which tend to be far more nuanced that you or the author you > cited let on. > > [Platt] > I do not favor programs that discriminate on the basis of race. Apparently, > you do. You cannot end racial discrimination by engaging in racial > discrimination. > > [Krimel] > Those kind of programs have been stricken down by the Supreme Court since > the Bakke case in the 1980s. The court has not been terribly clear or > absolute in its rulings however. They seem to prefer looking at the merits > of individual cases rather than making sweeping pronouncements on this very > complicated issue > > > [Krimel] > > War profiteering means profiting improperly from warfare. > > [Platt] > What constitutes "improper" profiting from warfare? > > [Krimel] > With the country at war and gas prices doubling Exxon reported quarterly > earnings of $11 billion, the highest earnings ever for a US company. This is > more politely called a windfall. A windfall profits tax was originally > imposed after oil companies received huge profits as a result of the Arab > oil embargo. > > [Platt] > If the government confiscates all the profits from a company wouldn't > you call that a takeover by the government? If not, what has to happen for a > company to be nationalized? > > [Krimel] > I suppose IF that happen it would be a bit extreme but it hasn't. In order > to nationalize a company the government would have to take over the > ownership and management of the company. > > > [Platt] > > You call $5 trillion tiny? And no improvement in the poverty rates is > > "mission accomplished?" You're kidding, right? > > > > [Krimel] > > No I'm not but it sounds like you are making up numbers. $5 trillion > > dollar? > > What hat are you pulling that rabbit out of? Whatever hat it is you must > > be sitting on it. > > [Platt] > You doubt the figure? Show that it's wrong, if you can. Or eat your hat. > > [Krimel] > It's your number where did you get it? > > > [Krimel] > > Slavery wasn't practiced in any of the countries you mentioned before. But > > you would be willing to acknowledge the similarity between the genocide of > > Native Americans and the atrocities of the 20th century? > > [Platt] > What countries are you referring to? As for similarities -- in kind, yes, in > scale no. Do you agree Western civilization was responsible for ending > slavery? Or do you prefer not to answer? > > [Krimel] > The countries YOU listed earlier. Try to keep up will you? > > European countries enacted laws to end slavery, of course. The United State > fought its bloodiest war and more than 100 years later is still feeling the > pain of that tragedy. > > So to recap on this point: You agree that America's history of slavery and > genocide were bad and should be taught in public schools. But you don't feel > bad about them and believe it was all worthwhile because they resulted in a > cozy lifestyle for you, plus the dictators and tyrants of the past century > were much nastier that we were. > > Is that about right? > > > [Krimel] > > I don't know anything about that but I notice that Ralph Nader opposes > > these mandates. You must be pleased to find yourself in such good company. > > [Platt] > I am indeed. When Ralph or Hillary or Obama are right, I'll agree with them. > I would hope you would do the same with McCain, O'Reilly or Limbaugh. But, > I won't hold my breath. > > [Krimel] > I suppose a blind hog finds an acorn now and then but I won't hold my > breath. > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
