> [Platt] > You have a narrow definition of socialism. Basically, socialism is a > system that forces one person to care for another. The key word -- forces.
> > [Krimel] > I don't find your definition anywhere but in you posts. It seems a bit > narrow and targeted. Where did you get it? [Platt] I created it. [Krimel] The more I look at your "reasoned arguments" and the sources you provide the more of this I see. > [Platt] > Are you saying multiculturism isn't being taught in government schools? > [Krimel] I don't know that's why I am asking you to provide examples. > [Platt] Are you suggesting that government schools aren't teaching that > government programs to "help" the poor are good?. > [Krimel] > I don't know that's why I am asking you to provide examples. > [Platt] Are you suggesting multiculturism doesn't teach equality of > cultures? > [Krimel] > I don't know that's why I am asking you to provide examples. [Platt] For starters, try: http://books.google.com/books?id=XCtG7O5EScgC [Krimel] That is not much but ifs the best you can do, I read as much as Google would allow and what I got was that the author makes a distinction between multiculturalism and multicultural education. He denounces the former and supports the later. Multicultural education teaches about the contributions various groups have made to American culture. It teaches students to appreciate diversity and promotes understanding of others. Multiculturalism, as he describes it and as you understand it, seems to be a right wing boogeyman. A made up term something like socialism as you define it. But maybe you have other examples that could provide more clarity. [Platt] Not if they involve discrimination on the basis of race, like Affirmative Action programs. [Krimel] Racism has taken a terrible toll on this country an efforts to end it have been complicated and painful. Affirmative Action programs of one sort or another have been championed by presidents, congressional majority and supreme court appointees of both parties including Nixon and Raygun. This is not a simplistic matter that lends itself to absolutes or sloganeering. [Platt] Depends what you mean by "war profiteering." Government seizure of profits is tantamount to nationalizing. [Krimel] War profiteering means profiting improperly from warfare. Taxing these profits or any other profits for that matter is in no way "tantamount to nationalizing" unless of course you have your own definitions for these terms as well. [Platt] You call $5 trillion tiny? And no improvement in the poverty rates is "mission accomplished?" You're kidding, right? [Krimel] No I'm not but it sounds like you are making up numbers. $5 trillion dollar? What hat are you pulling that rabbit out of? Whatever hat it is you must be sitting on it. > [Krimel] > So you would want to emphasize how these other countries continued to pay > the cost of modern civilization throughout the 20th century, right? [Platt] No. I would want to emphasize that slavery was an accepted practice in most countries until recently, and it is was Western civilization that put an end to it except in a few places. [Krimel] Slavery wasn't practiced in any of the countries you mentioned before. But you would be willing to acknowledge the similarity between the genocide of Native Americans and the atrocities of the 20th century? [Platt] Shall we discuss how government mandates about ethanol are causing food shortages and riots? [Krimel] I don't know anything about that but I notice that Ralph Nader opposes these mandates. You must be pleased to find yourself in such good company. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
