> [Platt] > All European nations are, for the most part, socialist, i.e. Marxist "From > each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." The > Democrat party in the U.S. subscribes to those principles and now holds > power in Congress. Multiculturism now being taught in government schools > equates tribal societies with the free market capitalism. The Democrat party > in the U.S. subscribes to those principles and now holds power in Congress. > > [Krimel] > I do not believe there is a single country in the EU that has nationalized > industries. It was tried for a time in the UK but they gave it up. But we > have plenty of Europeans here who can speak to this better than I. > > But no political candidate in this country for at least the past 50 years > has called for nationalization of any industry.
You have a narrow definition of socialism. Basically, socialism is a system that forces one person to care for another. The key word -- forces. > [Platt] > Multiculturism now being taught in government schools equates tribal > societies with the free market capitalism. > > [Krimel] > Name a school. Cite a textbook where this is done. Put up or shut up. Are you saying multiculturism isn't being taught in government schools? > [Platt] > I assume you also discriminate between good and evil. You seemed > to suggest that discrimination was bad. > > [Krimel] > I and many of my fellow Americans think that racial discrimination it bad. > Do you? Absolutely. I assume you agree and are against Affirmative Action. > > [Krimel] > > It might mean that everyone gets and equal shot at a piece of the pie but > > how it that bad? > > [Platt] > That's not bad. But, as taught it usually means redistribution of income, > whether earned or not. > > [Krimel] > Then it should be easy to find it in a school textbook. Please cite one. Are you suggesting that government schools aren't teaching that government programs to "help" the poor are good?. > [Platt] > Multiculturism. All cultures are equal. > > [Krimel] > Says who besides you? Are you suggesting multiculturism doesn't teach equality of cultures? > > [Platt] > > Hillary, Obama -- take over the oil companies. > > > > [Krimel] > > I must have missed that. Was this in a debate? Which oil companies have > > either of them proposed nationalizing? > > [Platt] > All of them. They have proposed taking away their profits which is > tantamount to nationalization. > > [Krimel] > So then it should be easy enough for you to tell me what they said and when. > Please do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PfE9K8j0g > > [Krimel] > > Odd, I have never really looked at that but this chart suggests that > > before the late 1950s almost 60% of blacks in this country lived below > > that arbitrary line now it's about 20%. Care to comment on the success or > > failure of the war on poverty and "entitlement" programs? > > > > http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/socy441/trends/povrace.html > > [Platt] > Check the chart at: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States > > [Krimel] > Ok my chart tells me that the War on Poverty was wildly successful in > reducing poverty among our poorest and most politically disadvantaged > citizens and yours shows that it reduced poverty overall by more than 50%. > > What's the problem? My chart shows there has been no reduction in the poverty rate since 1970. What's the problem? > > [Krimel] > > What Pirsig extols is Indian Values. It is obvious to anyone who looks at > > American history that the fate of the Indian lifestyle was doomed in 1492. > > European invaders and the US government engaged it despicable, treacherous > > and deceitful practices that made sure of that. Capturing tribal leaders > > under flags of truce, violating treaties, extortion, genocide, slaughter > > of the buffalo; it is a sorry story but not one you seem the least > > remorseful about. It is much worse than the government sanctioned > > treatment of slaves who, as property, at least had Value worth preserving. > > [Platt] > How can I be remorseful? I wasn't there. > > [Krimel] > You do not have to be remorseful to acknowledge that your government > committed atrocities. Do you acknowledge that what was done was wrong? Sure. Do you acknowledge the benefits of modern civilization? > > [Krimel] > > Isn't this the kind of evil you think worth discriminating against? > > Wouldn't you agree that there are lessons in this history that should be > > taught to our children? > > [Platt] > Absolutely -- as well as the evils of collectivism as practiced in > > [Krimel] > So you agree that the Native American genocide and slavery should be taught > to children in the same context as the evils perpetrated in Germany, Italy, > China, Cuba, North Korea and Russia in the 20th century and continuing to > this day? Sure, but emphasizing the different context, especially the time frame. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
