[Platt] All European nations are, for the most part, socialist, i.e. Marxist "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." The Democrat party in the U.S. subscribes to those principles and now holds power in Congress. Multiculturism now being taught in government schools equates tribal societies with the free market capitalism. The Democrat party in the U.S. subscribes to those principles and now holds power in Congress.
[Krimel] I do not believe there is a single country in the EU that has nationalized industries. It was tried for a time in the UK but they gave it up. But we have plenty of Europeans here who can speak to this better than I. But no political candidate in this country for at least the past 50 years has called for nationalization of any industry. [Platt] Multiculturism now being taught in government schools equates tribal societies with the free market capitalism. [Krimel] Name a school. Cite a textbook where this is done. Put up or shut up. [Platt] I assume you also discriminate between good and evil. You seemed to suggest that discrimination was bad. [Krimel] I and many of my fellow Americans think that racial discrimination it bad. Do you? > [Krimel] > It might mean that everyone gets and equal shot at a piece of the pie but > how it that bad? [Platt] That's not bad. But, as taught it usually means redistribution of income, whether earned or not. [Krimel] Then it should be easy to find it in a school textbook. Please cite one. [Platt] Multiculturism. All cultures are equal. [Krimel] Says who besides you? > [Platt] > Hillary, Obama -- take over the oil companies. > > [Krimel] > I must have missed that. Was this in a debate? Which oil companies have > either of them proposed nationalizing? [Platt] All of them. They have proposed taking away their profits which is tantamount to nationalization. [Krimel] So then it should be easy enough for you to tell me what they said and when. Please do. > [Krimel] > Odd, I have never really looked at that but this chart suggests that > before the late 1950s almost 60% of blacks in this country lived below > that arbitrary line now it's about 20%. Care to comment on the success or > failure of the war on poverty and "entitlement" programs? > > http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/socy441/trends/povrace.html [Platt] Check the chart at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States [Krimel] Ok my chart tells me that the War on Poverty was wildly successful in reducing poverty among our poorest and most politically disadvantaged citizens and yours shows that it reduced poverty overall by more than 50%. What's the problem? > [Krimel] > What Pirsig extols is Indian Values. It is obvious to anyone who looks at > American history that the fate of the Indian lifestyle was doomed in 1492. > European invaders and the US government engaged it despicable, treacherous > and deceitful practices that made sure of that. Capturing tribal leaders > under flags of truce, violating treaties, extortion, genocide, slaughter > of the buffalo; it is a sorry story but not one you seem the least > remorseful about. It is much worse than the government sanctioned > treatment of slaves who, as property, at least had Value worth preserving. [Platt] How can I be remorseful? I wasn't there. [Krimel] You do not have to be remorseful to acknowledge that your government committed atrocities. Do you acknowledge that what was done was wrong? > [Krimel] > Isn't this the kind of evil you think worth discriminating against? > Wouldn't you agree that there are lessons in this history that should be > taught to our children? [Platt] Absolutely -- as well as the evils of collectivism as practiced in [Krimel] So you agree that the Native American genocide and slavery should be taught to children in the same context as the evils perpetrated in Germany, Italy, China, Cuba, North Korea and Russia in the 20th century and continuing to this day? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
