> > [Platt] > > You have a narrow definition of socialism. Basically, socialism is a > > system that forces one person to care for another. The key word -- forces.
> > [Krimel] > > I don't find your definition anywhere but in you posts. It seems a bit > > narrow and targeted. Where did you get it? > [Platt] > I created it. > [Krimel] > The more I look at your "reasoned arguments" and the sources you provide the > more of this I see. All concepts are created by someone. > > [Platt] > > Are you saying multiculturism isn't being taught in government schools? > > [Krimel] I don't know that's why I am asking you to provide examples. > > [Platt] Are you suggesting that government schools aren't teaching that > > government programs to "help" the poor are good?. [Krimel] I don't know > > that's why I am asking you to provide examples. [Platt] Are you suggesting > > multiculturism doesn't teach equality of cultures? [Krimel] I don't know > > that's why I am asking you to provide examples. > [Platt] > For starters, try: http://books.google.com/books?id=XCtG7O5EScgC > [Krimel] > That is not much but ifs the best you can do, I read as much as Google would > allow and what I got was that the author makes a distinction between > multiculturalism and multicultural education. He denounces the former and > supports the later. > > Multicultural education teaches about the contributions various groups have > made to American culture. It teaches students to appreciate diversity and > promotes understanding of others. > > Multiculturalism, as he describes it and as you understand it, seems to be a > right wing boogeyman. A made up term something like socialism as you define > it. > > But maybe you have other examples that could provide more clarity. Seems clear enough to me. From the author's text: "One Marxist concept operative in multiculturism is its belief that all inequalities, including cultural inequality, is evil. Thus, in the eyes of multiculturists all cultures are to be equally valued." > [Platt] > Not if they involve discrimination on the basis of race, like Affirmative > Action programs. > [Krimel] > Racism has taken a terrible toll on this country an efforts to end it have > been complicated and painful. Affirmative Action programs of one sort or > another have been championed by presidents, congressional majority and > supreme court appointees of both parties including Nixon and Raygun. This is > not a simplistic matter that lends itself to absolutes or sloganeering. I do not favor programs that discriminate on the basis of race. Apparently, you do. You cannot end racial discrimination by engaging in racial discrimination. > [Platt] > Depends what you mean by "war profiteering." Government seizure of profits > is tantamount to nationalizing. > [Krimel] > War profiteering means profiting improperly from warfare. What constitutes "improper" profiting from warfare? > Taxing these > profits or any other profits for that matter is in no way "tantamount to > nationalizing" unless of course you have your own definitions for these > terms as well. If the government confiscates all the profits from a company wouldn't you call that a takeover by the government? If not, what has to happen for a company to be nationalized? > [Platt] > You call $5 trillion tiny? And no improvement in the poverty rates is > "mission accomplished?" You're kidding, right? > > [Krimel] > No I'm not but it sounds like you are making up numbers. $5 trillion dollar? > What hat are you pulling that rabbit out of? Whatever hat it is you must be > sitting on it. You doubt the figure? Show that it's wrong, if you can. Or eat your hat. > > [Krimel] > > So you would want to emphasize how these other countries continued to pay > > the cost of modern civilization throughout the 20th century, right? > > [Platt] > No. I would want to emphasize that slavery was an accepted practice in most > countries until recently, and it is was Western civilization that put an end > to it except in a few places. > > [Krimel] > Slavery wasn't practiced in any of the countries you mentioned before. But > you would be willing to acknowledge the similarity between the genocide of > Native Americans and the atrocities of the 20th century? What countries are you referring to? As for similarities -- in kind, yes, in scale no. Do you agree Western civilization was responsible for ending slavery? Or do you prefer not to answer? > [Platt] > Shall we discuss how government mandates about ethanol are causing food > shortages and riots? > > [Krimel] > I don't know anything about that but I notice that Ralph Nader opposes these > mandates. You must be pleased to find yourself in such good company. I am indeed. When Ralph or Hillary or Obama are right, I'll agree with them. I would hope you would do the same with McCain, O'Reilly or Limbaugh. 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