Hey, Joe --


Pirsig certainly proposed an order in evolution.  At the social level
he proposed a level which adds something to the capability of an
individual at an organic level without destroying the individual.
Evolution is addition, not subtraction or displacement.  As addition
to [?] I accept the distinction between levels. You don¹t accept evolution
yet a hummingbird reproduces as capably as a human.  Evolution
describes some differences in capabilities better than mind/matter.

To work backwards through this paragraph, I'm not describing differences in terms of "mind/matter". I'm saying that existence is differentiated because we experience it that way. It's our fragmented glimpse of the Absolute intellectualized as finitude. Difference starts with a single division: the "splitting" of Sensibility from the whole of Otherness. Sensibility is not "mind", it's the perception of value which defines the human psyche. Only Essence senses Essence. Humans are not Essence but value-sensibility, and it is our separation from Essence that differentiates our experience.

I accept evolution as an observed principle of nature (process in time) which, in turn, is our intellectual construct of value. This is how we make sense of experiential (organic) sensibility. A "level" doesn't add sociability or intellect to an individual; the individual develops these capabilities himself in his relations with an objectivized world. And the neuro-physiological integration of sensory value is not an "added" capability of the individual but a finite "reduction" of absolute sensibility.

The Absolute is a metaphor.  No one has experienced an absolute.

True. But, as value-sensible beings, we do experience finitude as a construct of its value.

Only evolution explains change by addition not syllogisms.

Evolution is what we call process in time, especially when that process is observed as a development toward an assumed end or goal, such as in the evolution of the species.

For myself as a singer, I am familiar with an 8 level octave where 1 and 8
are doubled in intensity. I model evolution on an octave of seven levels,
the last two being indefinable S only. I don¹t accept an "absolute" in
rational conversation. Lack of motion does not deny form.  This forum has
no provision for discussing matters of faith like absolute.

As a music lover I can appreciate the value of tonality and the resonance of the octave, although I believe the doubling effect you speak of is a factor of frequency rather than "intensity". There is no absolute in music or in the finite world. For human beings, the absolute is an abstract concept. When conceptualized as the metaphysical reality, it is no more a "matter of faith" than conceiving Quality as reality or the universe as a moral system.

Thanks, Joe,

Essentially yours,
Ham

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