Ian, Matt, I have been haunted by something I read a while ago: All knowledge is to some degree false because it is to some degree incomplete. Wouldn't this make knowledge both true and false? And this morning I read that Feyerbend called the laws of formal logic naive. Margolis says much about adding Indeterminate to the bipolar truth-values: True or False, but I'm finding his book very difficult because he mentions dozens of philosophers (briefly stating their argument) I have never heard of, and who seem to have some professional stake in this game. But I wonder that DQ is present in every event and it is indeterminate. Hmmm.
Marsha On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > Nice one Matt, > > I'd seen tha ambiguity on the measure / rationality aspect before but > not the things / experience side of it. Very interesting. > > Ian > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Matt Kundert > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I ran across something interesting today. I didn't realize this, but >> Protagoras' famous aphorism "Man is the measure of all things..." has an >> ambiguity in the English (at least for amateurs who only read translations >> and dabble in Greek words). >> >> I'd always assumed that what standardly gets translated as "measure" was >> related to the Latin "ratio," and that old saw about how "reason" and >> mathematical "measuring" are ancient relations. etc. Well, the Latin >> "ratio" is the translation of "logos," which all us amateurs recognize as >> one of the more famous Greek words: reason, thought, account, measure, word, >> etc. >> >> The Greek word translated as "measure" in Protagoras' aphorism is _not_ >> Logos, but >> >> Metron >> >> "Metro" in modern Greek is still "measure." However, what I ran across >> which made much of what the actual Greek word is was an alternative >> translation by Mario Untersteiner (often considered a renegade scholar by >> respected Anglophones I've run across), who wrote a book on the Sophists >> that is almost impossible to find in English for under $50 (been out of >> print for half a century): >> >> "Man is the master of all experiences..." >> >> I have no bead on what Greek word (or phrase) "things" or "experiences" >> translates. All I can identify is "metron" and "anthropos" (the >> gender-neutral "man"). But I imagine "experiences" sounds even better to >> Pirsigians, whatever one might think of "measure vs. master." >> >> Matt >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
