Hi Marsha, Interesting, I have just ordered Feyerabend's "Against Method". Which Margolis are you reading ?
You know my take on inclusion of excluded middles, Marsha, so no argument from me on incompleteness of formal logic. I think DQ is a good metaphor the indeterminacy in any event / outcome. Regards Ian On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > Ian, Matt, > > I have been haunted by something I read a while ago: All knowledge is to > some degree > false because it is to some degree incomplete. Wouldn't this make knowledge > both > true and false? And this morning I read that Feyerbend called the laws of > formal logic naive. > Margolis says much about adding Indeterminate to the bipolar truth-values: > True or False, but > I'm finding his book very difficult because he mentions dozens of > philosophers (briefly stating > their argument) I have never heard of, and who seem to have some professional > stake in > this game. But I wonder that DQ is present in every event and it is > indeterminate. Hmmm. > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >> Nice one Matt, >> >> I'd seen tha ambiguity on the measure / rationality aspect before but >> not the things / experience side of it. Very interesting. >> >> Ian >> >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Matt Kundert >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I ran across something interesting today. I didn't realize this, but >>> Protagoras' famous aphorism "Man is the measure of all things..." has an >>> ambiguity in the English (at least for amateurs who only read translations >>> and dabble in Greek words). >>> >>> I'd always assumed that what standardly gets translated as "measure" was >>> related to the Latin "ratio," and that old saw about how "reason" and >>> mathematical "measuring" are ancient relations. etc. Well, the Latin >>> "ratio" is the translation of "logos," which all us amateurs recognize as >>> one of the more famous Greek words: reason, thought, account, measure, >>> word, etc. >>> >>> The Greek word translated as "measure" in Protagoras' aphorism is _not_ >>> Logos, but >>> >>> Metron >>> >>> "Metro" in modern Greek is still "measure." However, what I ran across >>> which made much of what the actual Greek word is was an alternative >>> translation by Mario Untersteiner (often considered a renegade scholar by >>> respected Anglophones I've run across), who wrote a book on the Sophists >>> that is almost impossible to find in English for under $50 (been out of >>> print for half a century): >>> >>> "Man is the master of all experiences..." >>> >>> I have no bead on what Greek word (or phrase) "things" or "experiences" >>> translates. All I can identify is "metron" and "anthropos" (the >>> gender-neutral "man"). But I imagine "experiences" sounds even better to >>> Pirsigians, whatever one might think of "measure vs. master." >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
