Hi Ian, I'm reading 'The Truth About Relativism':
http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Relativism-Joseph-Margolis/dp/0631181784/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262441678&sr=1-1 He can be truly poetic, and frustratingly academic. Marsha On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > Interesting, I have just ordered Feyerabend's "Against Method". > Which Margolis are you reading ? > > You know my take on inclusion of excluded middles, Marsha, so no > argument from me on incompleteness of formal logic. > > I think DQ is a good metaphor the indeterminacy in any event / outcome. > Regards > Ian > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ian, Matt, >> >> I have been haunted by something I read a while ago: All knowledge is to >> some degree >> false because it is to some degree incomplete. Wouldn't this make >> knowledge both >> true and false? And this morning I read that Feyerbend called the laws of >> formal logic naive. >> Margolis says much about adding Indeterminate to the bipolar truth-values: >> True or False, but >> I'm finding his book very difficult because he mentions dozens of >> philosophers (briefly stating >> their argument) I have never heard of, and who seem to have some >> professional stake in >> this game. But I wonder that DQ is present in every event and it is >> indeterminate. Hmmm. >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >>> Nice one Matt, >>> >>> I'd seen tha ambiguity on the measure / rationality aspect before but >>> not the things / experience side of it. Very interesting. >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Matt Kundert >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I ran across something interesting today. I didn't realize this, but >>>> Protagoras' famous aphorism "Man is the measure of all things..." has an >>>> ambiguity in the English (at least for amateurs who only read translations >>>> and dabble in Greek words). >>>> >>>> I'd always assumed that what standardly gets translated as "measure" was >>>> related to the Latin "ratio," and that old saw about how "reason" and >>>> mathematical "measuring" are ancient relations. etc. Well, the Latin >>>> "ratio" is the translation of "logos," which all us amateurs recognize as >>>> one of the more famous Greek words: reason, thought, account, measure, >>>> word, etc. >>>> >>>> The Greek word translated as "measure" in Protagoras' aphorism is _not_ >>>> Logos, but >>>> >>>> Metron >>>> >>>> "Metro" in modern Greek is still "measure." However, what I ran across >>>> which made much of what the actual Greek word is was an alternative >>>> translation by Mario Untersteiner (often considered a renegade scholar by >>>> respected Anglophones I've run across), who wrote a book on the Sophists >>>> that is almost impossible to find in English for under $50 (been out of >>>> print for half a century): >>>> >>>> "Man is the master of all experiences..." >>>> >>>> I have no bead on what Greek word (or phrase) "things" or "experiences" >>>> translates. All I can identify is "metron" and "anthropos" (the >>>> gender-neutral "man"). But I imagine "experiences" sounds even better to >>>> Pirsigians, whatever one might think of "measure vs. master." >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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