Very good J.B. You've managed to do something I never have been able to accomplish; pull some higher quality rhetoric from dmb than we've seen for some time.
Whew! I breathe easier. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:14 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Jon said: > Pirsig favors dynamic quality, just as the I Ching with its two fundamental > principles, favors yin, or the change principles.... Moq favors the dynamic > reality over the static. And this sabotages its rational element even though > it is often unseen. > > > dmb says: > > Okay, now I'm beginning to think you haven't read Pirsig's books. In ZAMM, > he says Taoism is an exact match and in Lila he says that static and dynamic > quality are are both necessary. His emphasis on the dynamic is part of an > effort to restore a proper balance because that's what's been missing from > our age of scientific objectivity. That's the blind spot that keeps us out > of whack, alienated, isolated and divided against ourselves. How does it put > it? Without dynamic quality nothing can change and without static quality > nothing can last. It's about having stability without having rigidity. It's > about having creativity and novelty without having chaos or degeneration. > > > > Jon said: > > ...Furthermore, the Enlightenment was not as influential in America's > formative years. So I'd like to see you present some evidence dmb, for your > and Pirsig's claim (and Campbell would agree with you) that human rights, > democracy, were grounded in Enlightenment thought. > > > > dmb says: > > There is a mountain of evidence. For starters, plug "Thomas Jefferson" and > "John Locke" into a search engine and you'll see what I mean. Jefferson's > most famous phrase from the Declaration of Independence, "life, liberty and > the pursuit of happiness", is a modification of Locke's "life, liberty and > property", for example. I think it would even be fair to say that the > founding fathers lived at the height of the Enlightenment and their > political philosophy epitomizes the Enlightenment. One can say many things > about this period, but I think the outstanding feature is the > differentiation of art, science and religion. (This results in things like > the separation of church and state and the development of autonomy for each > area or domain.) This is not something we want to undo, but the problem is > that these domains are not just distinct and autonomous, they've become > hostile to each other. So part of what Pirsig is doing with "DQ" is to > reunite and reconnect them on a real basic lev > el. We want beautiful science, intelligent art and a religion that isn't > threatened by either. > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > inbox. > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
