Hello Jon,

> Are you making the belief of the victims the cause of the crime? 

[Mary Replies] 
No.  It is the belief of the criminals which is the cause of the crime.

> I am not speaking about the goodness of man, but the goodness of a
> specific
> belief system. And if you are one that thinks man is basically good,
> and you
> don't believe in God, then who commit
> ted these atrocities throughout history, the ones you and I mention???
> It
> had to be man in all his natural goodness!
> 
[Mary Replies]
Of course.  
 
The MoQ says that what is valued at one level is not necessarily valued at
the next.  Value is equated with good.  The Biological Level values genocide
as one possible way to assure the persistence of one genetic pool over
another.  The eternal battle of DNA.  Having many offspring would be
another. It is perfectly valid to debate the relative morality of each
solution.  However, in a more overarching sense, the Biological values
biology and probably has no preference for any particular configuration of
DNA over another.  At least at its most basic.  You can't neglect the fact
that the Biological Level is very old and humans have only existed briefly.
But I stray from my point.

The values of Biology were the foundation from which the Social Level arose.
Pirsig explains that each level depends on the continued existence of those
below it, but the levels are in a moral hierarchy.  What is more moral is
that which supports the higher level without destroying the lower. It's a
hierarchy of moral Quality all the way down.

Mary

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