that's fine, i find you defense mechs low value 

On Sep 18, 2010, at 9:11 PM, X Acto wrote:

> it doesent work for me because it comes with its own set of particular
> consequences that I feel are of low quality.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 9:00:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level
> 
> 
> On Sep 18, 2010, at 8:39 PM, X Acto wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha asks:
>> How are feelings, passions and other modes of consciousness included back 
>> into 
> 
>> rationality?  How are they included back into science?  How are then 
>> included 
>> back into mathematics?  How?
>> 
>> 
>> Ron:
>> By understanding truth to be an intellectual value. Often those equations 
>> that 
> 
>> explain phenomena best
>> are the most beautiful, they are chosen for their aesthetic as well as 
>> functionality in explanation to make
>> them what we mean when we say they are the best explanations.
>> 
>> that can mean 2+2 may equal 5 if the value of 2 is high enough.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Marsha:
> From my point-of-view there is an emerging level where value is known as 
> primary, 
> 
> and fourth-level, intellectual patterns as tools are used for creating and 
> implementing 
> 
> a higher quality experience/environment.  Where one "can then examine 
> intellectual 
> 
> realities the same way one examines paintings in an art gallery, not with an 
> effort to 
> 
> find out which one is the 'real' painting, but simply to enjoy and keep those 
> that are 
> 
> of value. There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can 
> perceive 
> 
> some to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the 
> result 
> of our 
> 
> history and current patterns of values."
> 
> This works for me; it doesn't work for you that is okay by me.  
> 
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